Who Follows Corbyn?

This election looks lost for Labour. Can the party return to a more centrist, vote-winning position in time for 2024? What will Borisland look like by then?

 

Anybody who backs Corbyn wants commiting to the asylum

 

Whereas people who view Johnson as competent are sane and rational?!

 

Also does for those who think Farage is a man of the people

 

Shows how wrong I was to think the American electorate were more stupid than our own! Five years under Johnson makes me feel very ill.

 

Don't get ill...there'll be no NHS to help!

 

Johnson is a turd on a string but so is corbyn. Sad state of affairs when people will defend and vote for the least crap option rather than the best.

 

He’ll be out of a job on December 13th. Hopefully they’ll revert to taking the centre ground.

 

To be fair the YouGov poll is showing Labour shoring up the remain vote and getting killed in Brexit areas. A centrist on a remain ticket would have been exactly the same. Remain parties needed to work together this election. Lib Dems, having forced the election, are tanking.

 

I’m gutted about what is on the cards for this country. As a Labour supporter it kills me that against a government that lies, misleads, attacks the poor and disabled, puts the NHS at risk and makes the rich richer, my party not only isn’t light years ahead but is actually struggling a distance behind. The thought that working class voters are supporting the tories under some illusion that post brexit Britain will be some fantastic place just frustrates me even more.
I mean, if you imagine that every lie is true and the money flows in hand over fist from all the awesome trade deals we’ve done, ask yourself what will the tories do with it? Education? Social care? NHS? Or, like the money that came from North Sea oil, tax cuts for their rich mates. One thing I can say with almost certainty is it won’t be coming here. More or the same for you and me.

 

YouGov are owned by a Tory MP or two, and there has been a considerable number of under-35s register to vote in the last few weeks. *If* they turn out to vote, or it is unseasonably cold or wet on December 12th, it is quite likely that the polls are wrong.

 

Do you seriously believe that a 10-12% consistent lead in all but a couple of the polls is wrong?? Even given historical examples of polls getting it wrong, I think in this case you are barking up the wrong tree,
As for the fact YouGov's CEO is a conservative. Are you alleging that they would seek to manipulate the polls and irreparably damage YouGovs reputation given they conduct surveys etc Worldwide and not just in politics? Have you evidence to support that or are you just trying to create malicious rumours?

 

Yeah, the poll doesn't account for any new voters, accepts it is covering many seats that are too close to call, is two weeks out from the election still, and may scare people on remain side to vote tactically. It did predict the outcome of the last election but being right once isn't a fair sample size to assume accuracy.

 

Our household have just delivered him 4 votes.

 

You have some fantastic policies, so attack the leader, Johnson is toxic but brexit is everything. Doesn't matter who would be leader unless you do a Blair and become Tory-lite. The country, for me has missed it's opportunity to elect the guy we all say we wanted to represent US and not HIMSELF. My wife said to me the other day don't fall out with people about politics on Facebook, I said I'm falling out over morals here, big difference.

 

We are left of centre which is what the party was founded as not a Tory lite party. Our policies are social democratic ones. Ask a Norwegian, Swede, or Dane and they will tell,you Corbyn is a moderate democratic socialist. This country is slipping in to fascism with the most extreme right wing government my 68 years. You ain't see half of the damage the Tories plan for us in the next 5 years. Just hope you have a big lottery win to shield you from what is coming. If you haven't already retired it going to be 75 and work till your dead. Hope you are happy with that.

 

The saddest thing is that a lot of this country think the labour manifesto is a far left socialist fantasy.

In reality, compared to our friends around Northern Europe, it is barely left of centre.

But to answer the OPs question, who’s next. I don’t know.

But the Labour Party should go cap in hand to David Miliband and beg him to come back to politics. I honestly think things would have been so much different if he’d won the leadership race and not Ed.

His little brother made a right pigs ear of things after diddling him royally, Ed is my MP and I’ve spoken to him several times. I’m not sure he was pleased that a member of the party, as I am, was bold enough to tell him that it was a huge error him being made leader, and that even after he was replaced, as much as I supported many of Corbyn’s policies, I couldnt see him winning any election. However he was very measured and professional in response and still rings - when he wants something - (despite me never going out canvassing - I did once deliver some letters). I will criticise his leadership of the party but as an mp never, he’s a good guy, I have seen the public service he provides. He for example was here every single day through the floods, not having photos taken but in a mucky old coat and wellies getting stuck in.

I don’t know if he’ll even retain his seat here in a couple of weeks. Plenty of rabid Nigel followers foaming at the mouth in Donny North. I fear the consequences of that.

 

Yes

 

I absolutely agree. The ideological argument is I think, policy is policy and in order to get elected, you should have to persuade the voters of the merits of your cause, not move your policy until it becomes acceptable to voters you need to win over (Blair). My view is, and some might find this contentious, tories have been in office much more than labour have over the years and as such have had a bigger influence on education. When you control the education system it's much easier to mould the electorate to take in the propaganda spouted by their friends in the press. I can't count the number of people I know, ex miners included who quote the Sun, the Mail et al as gospel. Most people judge Corbyn by what they've read in the tory press and nothing else.

 

this is a major thing here.... people are quick to say " they are all the same" but they absolutely arent! here we have a chance to change things for the better, to do things differently but the ones who moan wont take that choice.