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  1. andytyke

    andytyke Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    Labour have fecked up not being more positive about leave.

    Conservatives ripped the life out of Barnsley. Just like Featherstone, Pontefract and Castleford. But people don’t seem
    To care any more and apparently that’s the past now.

    I honestly can’t believe people are prepared to forget and vote for boris.

    I honestly think the cons will get in most of the above towns.

    Too many people blinded by brexit. No one around pont and Cas give a **** about anything other than the fact that they feel the likes of Yvette cooper have gone against the referendum vote which was hugely leave.

    I will be voting labour but can’t believe the stick I get for saying so in my town
     
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    Watcher_Of_The_Skies Well-Known Member

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    Divide and rule. T'was ever the same.
     
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    I cant for the life of me think why people think Brexit is 'the' only topic for this election. In or Out we have to have a government capable of taking this country forward. Fixing issues like underfunded towns, poverty, homelessness, rising crime and making us competitive in a market where this gove have done nothing to make us great in manufacturing and other market driving industries. We are the second biggest recipient of EU funding for Innovation so where is R&D funding going to come from. Would the Torys have put the £100M into dearne valley region without other funding like when it came from the EU. So the topic isn't about leave its about who will govern our country, without EU funding. Will 350M go to the NHS? will the hospitals be built, where are our resources coming from? How will crime numbers be reduced (not reported numbers but actual crime, and a start would be to investigate at least). We have a country with major issues not caused by the EU and wont be fixed by leaving. So people who vote in a GE for a one topic item may get what they wish for, but it may well be traded off for more austerity, a division of the UK and turmoil for years.
     
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    Any working class person, particularly in a northern town, voting for that pompous, stuck up liar Boris is like a turkey voting for Christmas.
    Mind boggling how deluded folk can be. Still gutted that Labour have shot themselves in the foot by persevering with Corbyn over the last couple of years though. They’ve completely wasted their best chance ever of returning to government.
     
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    With reference to the £350 million. No it won't go to the NHS it will go on tax cuts to the richest people in the country while the NHS is privatised so you have to pay for a doctors appointment and more for a prescription.
    If you ever in a moment of madness think about voting Tory think about austerity, universal benefit, bedroom tax, cuts in family allowance, closed libraries, no money days, child poverty, mothers not eating to feed the kids, kids with no breakfast and a no money Christmas. Contrast that with millionaire executive bonuses, banks that pay bonuses beyond the worth of the receivers and demand bale outs when it goes wrong. That's what you're voting for when you vote Tory.
    In Barnsley we're better than that.
     
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    Brexit voters claimed they weren’t stupid. many millions of them aren’t but If any previous labour voter in our area who holds socialist values and principles votes conservative solely because of brexit then you are stupider than stupid.
     
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    Too many people blinded by brexit. No one around pont and Cas give a **** about anything other than the fact that they feel the likes of Yvette cooper have gone against the referendum vote which was hugely leave.

    Same in Lincoln, I’m afraid Karen Lee went on record and said she was willing to risk her role as MP as she would always vote against Brexit and the backlash was huge. With everyone saying same, not respecting etc.
    Lincoln has always been a Yo-yo town in terms of MP/Party.
    The only thing that might save her here is the Tory MP is a pompous get, whereas she has already carved herself out a reputation for getting involved in local issues.
     
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    Its a bit win at all costs this election aint it, folks will go to no ends to get what they want. Thats the general public and politicians.
     
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    I tend to disagree to some extent...Labour's current popularity is largely due to support for Corbyn and his radical (in part) economic policies...I can see no other serious candidate in the Labour Party who dare advance these, or would argue for them with conviction.
    His problem has been that despite being popular with many in the country, the bulk of the PLP don't really want him ( judging by the leadership challenges he had to beat off) and he has been undermined at every stage on the question of the EU by Keir Starmer, Tom Watson and Chukka Ummuna...before his conversion to Change UK and latterly the Lib Dems.
    Corbyn as we know is a lifelong Eurosceptic, and Labour's position going in to 2017 was that they would respect the result of the referendum...virtually every senior Labour politician were clear that there would be no re-run of June 2016, to most people I would suggest that meant on taking power, the promise was there to come to a deal and take us out on Labour's terms....subsequent Party conferences have changed that stance to...come to a deal and have a second referendum...one in which JC stays neutral ( which for a conviction politician like Corbyn must be hard to stomach) and the rest of the PLP campaign against their own deal. To me that is not a great position to be in with a FPTP election looming. The risk being that you upset Labour's Leave town's to pacify Labour's Remain cities.
    Looking at it purely from an electoral point of view it's one hell of a dilemma...and Thursday will probably show if the party have got it right.
     
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    All sensible points here but in terms of 'RIP Labour in Barnsley' I think there may well be a reduction in Jarvis' Barnsley Central majority but that majority in 2017 was 23,000+. Some of the people talking about Brexit betrayal etc, while possibly having a point about politicians not following through on their commitment, need to realise anyone other than Labour winning in Barnsley Central is an extreme outside chance.
     
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    People are generally sheep and will copy what they think others are doing. Images like this will in itself make some people not vote Labour. Don’t share it. Post something in support of Labour without referring to this. If people see lots of people liking Labour and voting that way, many others will too.
     
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    It's not looking great for Labour but then again it didn't last time either when I had a sneaky suspicion the pollsters and media were getting it wrong. I dont get quite the same feeling this time, but I think it might be closer than they suggest. I have a sneaky feeling some people, when I'm the solace of the voting booth will baulk at voting Tory. I also think Tories will lose seats in Scotland and to the LibDems.
     
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    Polls have been turning into an electioneering tool for quite a few years IMO.
     
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    I hope your right I really do.
    I’m in despair at the thought of Boris leading a Cabinet of IDS , Chris Failing, Liz Truss and Dominic Raab etc with a large majority mandate .
    It would be a feeding frenzy and safe haven for the billionaires and neo liberal free market racketeers .
    Working hours for the lowest paid would inevitably be increased as the only way to get a part livable wage .
    I would say this to the people of traditional labour areas thinking of voting Tory or Brexit party . Think of your children or grandchildren going out to work in these Tory backed sweatshops .
     
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    If the prophecy comes true and Towns such as Barnsley ,Ponte Castleford etc elect a Tory/Brexit party MP there’s no doubt in my mind they’ll spend the next five years wishing they hadn’t .
    The Lib Dem’s were pilloried for backing the Tory’s and claimed they were betrayed.
    The DUP have Just come out of an alliance with the Tory’s claiming they betrayed them .
    Boris has Betrayed almost everybody he’s had dealings with including his own brother so don’t think for one minute he won’t betray these Towns who he knows will probably vote labour next time round.
    Unfortunately imo we’ll have people complaining that they were betrayed in this election from our Towns from the actions they take at the ballot box .
    Expect more homeless and some who will have voted for it but most won’t and that’s the saddest part imo.
     
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    I’m feeling hopeful. I drive though Pudsey and Shipley to get to work. Both areas are Conservative marginals and normally have boards and banners up in support. Both areas don’t have a single Conservatives sign this time and I counted 6 Labour boards in Pudsey and 9 Labour boards in Shipley plus two huge banners saying to save the NHS and vote Labour. Every day I’ve been driving to and from work last week a new Labour sign appeared.

    Saying that, a colleague who lives in Shipley stated that she hates her MP (Phillip Davies) and that he is awful to women but ‘he always gets in so there’s no point voting for anyone else’ and was therefore going to vote for him. That’s the most bonkers thing I’ve ever heard! You don’t get a prize for guessing the winner, plus it’s a marginal so it really could change. I’ve been working on her though and I’m 80% sure she is now going to vote Labour.
     
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    Labour won't get anywhere near the Tories, I can't believe people actually believe it will even be close.

    Labour shot themselves in the foot by keeping Corbyn, if they had someone else in they would win this election. Labour betrayed their constituents and it'll cost them for years to come.
     
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    I'm a constituent of a Labour MP (or I was until a few weeks ago technically). In what way was I betrayed?

    I know I've been betrayed by the conservatives who have cut my towns budget by one of the highest rates in the entire country but I'm not sure how I've been betrayed by a labour mp
     
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    I’m a constituent of a Labour MP; in what way have I been betrayed?
     

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