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  1. BarnsleyReds

    BarnsleyReds Well-Known Member

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    Yep, because your mate doing a job for you is the exact same experience as getting somebody random off the internet.

    I don't have a horse in this race, I've had good and bad tradesmen of a variety of different nationalities (plus, his comment was clearly a joke). All i'm saying is that having your mate do a job is likely to result in a better experience than finding a random tradesman.
     
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    Had some storm damage last week. Lost a ridge tile and a couple of slates. Employed a local guy who did it same day and charged me £40 less than his quote. I’m sure a Polish worker would also have done a good job.
    You can’t generalise on workers, or people. The trick that the right wingers perform is to generalise on all immigrants and sell the generalisation. It’s always the fault of the others. The Eastern European’s, the Muslims, the Jews.
    Barnsley and Wombwell had rough areas and people when I was growing up as well, but that didn’t make everybody rough. Take a look around next time you’re in a hospital and see how many immigrants are looking after you and then go and tell your right wing councillor.
     
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    FACT- if only they’d listened labour would still have 3 ;)
     
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    Can I just ask what the difference is ? Racial stereotyping is racist whatever the colour of the person doing it in relation to their subject matter. Would it be just as acceptable in your view for Charlie Williams to make the jokes he used to about blacks ? It’s a two way street surely
     
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    Agreed, we rely on those who have come here to work and to contribute, we’d be fecked without them. Thankfully those wishing to come here for a free ride are about to get a bloody nose. At Last.
     
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    Can you be more specific about those who come for a free ride? Who are you talking about? Also your bloody nose thing, is it an incitement to violence?
    I’m very uncomfortable with you responding to my post with the word “agreed”. I don’t agree with anything you’ve written.
     
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    It'd be outdated but I wouldn't call it racist.

    Even if you think it is racist, surely you think that racism isn't binary, and not all instances of racism are of the same seriousness. Would you honestly say that it's as harmful for me to make derogatory comments about my own race as it is for me to make them about a minority race?
     
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    I'm not too convinced there are many such people.

    At my gym there is a lad who is put up at the adjoining hotel whilst his status as a refugee is processed. He was part of the coup versus Erdogan a few years ago. He was in the army, stopping migrants coming into Turkey. When the generals called the coup, if he went against it he would have been court martialed, as it failed he was banged up for six years as a political prisoner. Our country covertly were supporting the coup against his religious policies, which are against the constitution of Turkey, which Ataturk set up as a secular state. The lad speaks 5 languages & wants, if he gets status to work for the UN peace keeping force. He is a refugee, but would be a brilliant person in our country whatever he did. It's easy to look at figures & rhetoric & not see there are humans involved here, many of whom have been forced to leave their country of origin because of our misguided foreign policy.
     
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    You do realise that these changes will exclude many more people who fall into the first category than the second. If anyone ends up with a bloody nose it will be the UK, and it will deserve it for punching itself in the face.
     
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    Don’t be uncomfortable, I was agreeing with you on the need for immigration. Whether you agree with what I’ve posted or not all I’ve done is highlight some or what I’ve heard as a probable motivation for the electorate to vote in a right wing candidate as opposed to a labour one. Never said I was speaking from experience and pointed out early in the thread that I don't live there but am un contact with people who do. The real issue for me is that folk can’t see beyond the racism label automatically thrown at anyone who questions the status quo. If the concerns of the people voting for this lady had been addressed maybe she wouldn’t have had a platform in the first place ? Thats all I’m trying to say. As for the bloody nose thing I think you know thats not what I meant.
     
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    I worked with a bloke who escaped war in the old Yugoslavia - he speaks multiple foreign languages and was an asset to the school I worked in as he would work with the children who spoke a different language. Doubt he would have got in under the new rules. He's an incredible bloke to have at a achool
     
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    JP, I’ve never said immigration is only about freeloaders, our security man at work was a nurse in Somalia and came here to flee the conflicts, he’s studying here to get back into nursing. All good in my book. But I’m not convinced that there haven't been a great many migrants here to take advantage of us. For example The Guardian reported back in 2012 that 36 million went overseas in child benefit payments for children that didn't even live here. Two thirds if it going to Poland. How is that right ?
     
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    Time will tell, it must be great for you being able to predict the future like this, do we stay up ??:)
     
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    Those people will be contributing more than £36m in taxes into the economy, and in any event this isn't a true figure, it's based on back of a *** packet maths which assumes that they all get benefits at the full UK rate, which they don't always.

    To put it in context, that figure represents 0.3% of the total child benefit paid. It's a tiny figure, and given that EU immigrants on average contribute more in tax than natives, the proposed immigration changes will likely actually lead to a greater proportion of your taxed income being used on child benefit.
     
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    So in your book a black lad singing the Diaby song is less guilty of racial stereotyping than his white mate singing the same song ?
     
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    It's stereotyping, but there's zero chance of harmful racist intent and therefore it's nowhere near as bad and not racist in my book.

    Your turn. Do you think it's as bad for me to call someone a white b*stard as it is for me to call someone a black b*stard?
     
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    It is complicated. Our economy under both Labour & the Tories has depended on migration. We could have cut non EU migration years ago, so the right wing rhetoric that has won Johnson the election is bullsh!t. We will have to see how this plays out now, as he is in power & his policies will be his judgement day. I'm sad that's 5 years away myself, as I see a cliff edge approaching. Maybe I'm wrong. I'm massively opposed to scroungers, as I'm a hard working, self employed individual, who like you pays his taxes. I just think the real issue is the massive corporations. like Google, Amazon, etc, who pay **** all are the real culprits, not a small number of "economic migrants".
     
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    If they’re both ******** then why is there any reason to refer to their skin colour other than being derogatory. ?? The fact is you probably wouldn't say either I’m sure, but in my view they’re both as bad. Yes.
     
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    It’s true that we could have done a lot more to cut none eu migration but what sticks in my throat is that all Junker had to do was to listen when Cameron went with his begging bowl on eu immigration. If he’d have listened and acted accordingly I don’t think we’d have left the eu. But he wouldn't, and therefore like Monk Bretton the country voted accordingly. Folk in power need to listen to the electorate if this last election has shown anything it’s shown that.
     

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