Save the West Stand.

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  1. Red

    Red-Taff. Well-Known Member

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    Anyone can apply for a building/structure to be listed and have a Preservation Order put on it.
    It does not have to be done by the owner.

    The owner does not have access to the name(s) of the person who has put in the application to Historic England.

    If a building/structure is deemed to be of Historic Interest or if there are only a few of its kind then that building/structure is of interest to Historic England.

    Whilst the building/structure is being assessed it is treated as if it was actually listed as a building to be preserved.

    (and if ever you wonder why the telephone kiosk outside the Barnsley Building Society has not been removed it's because it has a Preservation Order on it.)
     
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    Not for me. Needs bringing into this century. But not at the expense of the football on the field. If we manage at some stage to have enough ambition to reach the premier league. Then rebuild.
     
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    I was surprised to read that it doesn't have to be the owner of a structure that applies for a preservation order but anyone can do it - and remain anonymous. I'm sure in some instances it can cause problems for an owner if a complete stranger gets a preservation order slapped on their property.
    re the West Stand - I'd like to see parts of it preserved and maintained and if re-building on the West side takes place part of the original stand should be incorporated in any new structure - this would be quite challenging.
    Not sure what would be the best thing to do with the West Stand Bogs tho'...…..!
     
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    If you do what OP suggests, you are ensuring that at some point in the future the club leaves Oakwell and goes to a new stadium.
     
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    I wonder how well it would work if they built a new stand and used the very central part of the west with the original style gable to fill in the corner between ponty and west. Not sure if it would look awful or really really good
     
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    I understand that a listed building is described as any building or structure that is judged to have National and/or
    architectural interest ( page 8, paragraph 2.13 of the attachment refers.)

    In the circumstances, could a case therefore be advanced that the West Stand at Oakwell has sufficient National interest as to warrant a preservation order and would there be any financial cost attributable as to its protection against fire and progressive degradation as a result of infestation and or/the elements were that the case.?

    I'm not qualified to answer those questions, but I would think that compared to demolishing the present structure and erecting a state of the art replacement , the cost of fireproofing and compliance in line with existing building regulations could well be prohibitive.

    Personally, I would be sad to see the "old lady" disappear and with the crowds we get at this present time ( pre- Covid 19 of course), the board could well find that it doesn't make financial sense to replace it and for the present, they are content to continue to carry out periodic repairs and leave things very much as they are, particularly as at this present time, they don't own the ground.

    https://scambs.moderngov.co.uk/documents/s37148/SPDs - Appendix 5.pdf
     
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    No not for me either. If we are to progress as a club it eventually needs to be replaced.
     
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    Would make a cracking structure to house the fanzone though wouldn't it. Rebuild it behind the east stand and put modern glass walls on.
     
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    First thing I saw walking up Bala street was the floodlights 2nd thing was the West stand, don't change that....pleeeeease
     
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    Don't it always seem to go, that you don't know what you've got 'til its gone....
     
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    It wants demolishing not saving. Save the apex like Wednesday did and incorporate it into a new stand
     
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    I know exactly what the West Stand is and I won't miss it in the slightest.
     
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    The whole process of putting a Preservation Order on a structure was something I knew nothing about until I read up about it earlier.

    Whatever the merits or not of preserving the West Stand it seems that if anyone successfully applied for a Preservation Order the Club is not able to demolish/change? the Stand.
     
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    They paved paradise and put up a parking lot ...... which is what will happen if we don’t move with the times Mick
     
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    What I can't understand is that when the East Stand was built,why no one thought to include TV facilities in the design. This would have enabled the restoration of the gable in the West Stand. The TV gantry is and always has been an eyesore and must be some sort of H&S hazard for the poor camera men and commentators who have to endure this very basic structure. Restore the gable now.
     
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    Having watched many youtube videos over the last weeks, whilst the majority are filmed from the West stand, some are filmed from the East side (not sure if it's the Brewery stand or the East stand, I'll have to look again). I suspect that the club would in any case prefer games to be filmed from the West stand so that the East stand figures prominently in the footage rather than the half-empty and forlorn looking West stand.
     
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    Call me a traditionalist or whatever..... I'd love to keep it. What's point of replacing or updating it. I'm more than certain we'd all prefer monies spent on players. I'm doubly certain even if we flirted with playoffs season after season we'd never fill our current capacity. I love old school grounds like Villa Park, Goodison Park etc.

    If it was ever demolished I'd love the iconic bits to be incorporated. I've always said with the 100s of millions spent that the twin towers should have adourned Wembley way.

    Souless grounds like Rotherham, Donny etc are just bland.
     
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    Again not for me. There would be inevitable compromises and anyway cost would rule it out.
     
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    Something needs to be done with it as it's becoming more and more run down and as someone else said a bit forlorn.
     
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    The club and directors have been looking at redeveloping it haven't they? That's what's been communicated recently. Rumour has it that's a pre-requisite of any sale by the council (unsubstantiated rumour). Not sure unilaterally applying for some sort of protected status will help assist what you are describing.
     
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