Can someone brexity explain Pretty Vacants tweet?

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  1. Farnham_Red

    Farnham_Red Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    How ending free movement opens the country

    Why the underline of Free and is it only me that thinks this looks uncannily similar to
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    Old Gimmer Well-Known Member

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    Can someone explain Patel? I prefer her sobriquet Priti Vacant.
     
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    Cummins likes her . She nods her head in the right places Everything else is irrelevant.
     
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    She's a horror.

    And that graphic made on paint is one of the reasons I look at the British flag in a different way these days.

    It's like on twitter when you see a person with the British flag next to their name, it's a bit of a clue as to their mindset.

    Dystopian world we live in.
     
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    pompey_red Well-Known Member

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    I’m sure it’s no coincidence but 99% of those type have seemingly studied at the “school of hard knocks”

    Very strange.
     
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    The skills they need will be cabbage picking
     
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    By ending free movement to EU citizens, the intention is to open up Britain to the World by putting everybody on the same footing, instead of giving preferential treatment based on nationality. Our immigration policy previously had to account for thousands of EU migrants who could move here no questions asked, hopefully their places will be taken by skilled migrants from Sri Lanka, Nigeria, Turkey or wherever.

    The underline is on "ending".

    Yes.
     
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    Will their ‘skills’ include picking fruit and working in care homes and hospitals?
     
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    Skryptic Well-Known Member

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    I would assume that a fruit picking visa will be introduced, similar to Australia. Fortunately by controlling our own immigration policy we can adapt it to suit our needs, in a similar fashion to the majority of countries.
     
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    if we have a shortage of skilled workers in these areas then why not? People seem to think that because there is a wage threshold that they won’t be able to come but the govt would just lower the threshold for those jobs that are needed like they do in Australia and other countries.
     
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    This dangerous creature called Patel and her governmental partners in crime are all out to do away with what is left of the worker's rights in this country of which I and many of you and all our ancestors have fought for, some losing their lives in the proses, since 2010 the rights of workers have been chiselled away bit by bit little things like doing away with double time on Sunday, time and a half on Saturday and working overtime at time and a half in some companies this detestable piece of dog excrement Patel wrote that the British worker is the worst in the world. On LBC radio this morning it was stated by one presenter that she betrays a person earning under £26,000 per anum is classed as a 2nd class citizen. We really are getting into Donald Trump territory.
     
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    Is this funny?
    On the day that the govt announced their new ‘immigration’ scheme post Brexit, I also heard a rumour that they’ve secured European Social Fund (EU) money to to help with unemployment caused by Coronaviruso_O

    it might be seen as ‘great business’ to do this during the transition period, but difficult to understand when the Brexiteers hang onto we’ve ‘already left’.
     
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    Fact is we always could do.
     
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    Sounds simple. Let’s wait and see.
     
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    We could have done so already but chose not to.
     
  16. Farnham_Red

    Farnham_Red Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    You do know that this makes no sense dont you.

    For skilled workers if someone is needed they can be hired whether British European or rest of the world. It hasn't made it any easier for say an American or Nigerian citizen to come here than before.

    All it has done is made it harder for Europeans to come. I don't understand why its better to get a Nigerian Engineer over than a German one for example. If I wanted to hire an engineer pre Breixit year and had an equally qualified English, German or Nigerian to pick from I would probably hire the British worker, but if he/she wasn't available I would hire the German because it was easier for him/her to relocate to the UK and much less paperwork for me and he could work throughout Europe with no problem. If the German wasn't suitable then I would hire the Nigerian but it is a pain

    Now under the new rules my first choice would be the German because provided he/she agreed to come - and they would pass the Governments points I have an engineer who can work in the UK and in Europe , something neither the UK or Nigerian can do. Second choice would be the British engineer and the Nigerian would still be last choice.

    The idea of opening to the world is just nonsense. We have always taken in more immigrants from outside the EU than inside and anyone skilled and needed will not find it any different - all we have done is made it harder for the rest of Europe. and at the same time made it much harder for Brits to work in Europe - I dont see the win.

    An interesting side effect of the new policy is it will make fewer continentals want to come so its likely that more of the immegrants will be coloured and with significant cultural and religious differences. That doesn't bother me much but surely those who want this policy would prefer a white German christian to come over a coloured Muslim from Afghanistan

    We were always able to send back none working EU citizens but never chose to, we could always have implemented the points based system for non EU citizens but never chose to.


    you also
     
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    It's impossible to test since you will never find three people with identical qualifications and experience, but discriminating against somebody because it would be easier for somebody else to relocate is probably already illegal. Who are you to make that decision? If somebody applies for a job it is unfair to presume that they wouldn't be able to accept it if offered. The fact that you wouldn't employ somebody from the rest of the world because it would be more paperwork is a great example of why it will be easier for skilled Americans or Nigerians to move here, they won't have to put up with prejudice like that.

    "its likely that more of the immegrants will be coloured and with significant cultural and religious differences. That doesn't bother me much but surely those who want this policy would prefer a white German christian to come over a coloured Muslim from Afghanistan"

    It doesn't bother you much? So it does bother you a little that there will be more "coloured" (holy ****) immigrants? And you think people who voted for Brexit are racist? How the **** are you an admin?
     
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    No but may include Terrorism and Child Sexual Exploitation on an industrial scale.
     
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    I think you have spun Farnham Reds post to a place where you are insinuating he has a prejudice against non white people. There was nothing in his original post or previous posts to indicate this.
    I maybe doing you a disservice Skryptic,for which I apologise but your response seemed a unwarranted attack. This is just what Mrs Patel and the rest of the Fascists want, a divided nation.
     
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    As I have been accused of being a racist I feel I must respond.
    "its likely that more of the immigrants will be coloured and with significant cultural and religious differences. That doesn't bother me much but surely those who want this policy would prefer a white German christian to come over a coloured Muslim from Afghanistan"

    2 points really
    First the point of that sentence was to point out that this policy will bring in more coloured people with different cultures and religions. People who are racist surely will find that less acceptable than white Europeans so this policy has the opposite effect to "what the people voted for "

    The second point I really dont care what colour or nationality someone is, and as long as they broadly fit in to our values I dont care about their religion or culture either.

    But there are cultural/religious values I am not comfortable with - ones that discriminate against women for example either with forced marriages, "honour killings" FGM - to take extreme cases - so give me a regular Afghan citizen - no problem at all, give me someone who follows the Talibans views - I dont want them here - thats why I didnt say it doesnt bother me "at all" but used the "much" to qualify it. If me not wanting people who think women are inferior and shouldn't even be educated to come here, makes me a racist then so be it.

    As for your first paragraph thats a ridiculous distortion of what I said. If you have 3 similar people to chose from in terms of actual ability to do the job you have to find a way to decide which to take.

    In the case the Nigerian or American was clearly the better candidate of course I would employ them - but that doesn't change compared to the rules before or the new improved rules.

    In case there is not much to chose you are likely to offer the job first to the British Engineer because any relocation costs are less and its much easier to hire a British person than someone further afield.

    In the New improved rules, in many jobs the German now becomes the better candidate because it is so much easier for him to move around Europe than even the local British engineer, and the one off costs of getting him here are more than outweighed by the fact that he is far more flexible going forwards as he can work in the UK or Europe easily - unlike the other 2

    How would you decide and why would you hire the Nigerian first in the new improved rules over say the German?
     
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