Lockdowns over

Wrong again? explain.

 

There’s a big difference not in the actual offence but the accountability is miles apart . One of them made the rules start with .
Your bias to try to compare is desperate at least .

 

Thanks. I expected that. And it's precisely the reason I didn't provide anything to back up my opinion (which by the way is still valid, even if I don't expand on it). There are very different opinions out there but yours seem to fit your beliefs. and don't come back with "as will yours!" If you do want my reasons I've just one word. Manipulation.

 

Agree with that and would just like to add that non of the other non govts MPs or relevant advisers tried to make fools of the country with their excuses .

 

1st June:13/108 deaths from the day before.
2nd June:19/143 deaths from the day before.
3rd June: 20/179 deaths from the day before.

Now the figures will go up a bit more over time as they always do. But of the 430 deaths announced in the first three days of this month by NHS England, just 52 happened in the last three days which is 12.09%. Despite the MSM scare tactics of clickbait whenever somewhere is crowded, we are going in the right direction and things aren't anywhere near as bad as they were. It would be nice if the government didn't try to pull the wool over our eyes with their unavailable number of daily people tested. Infections are going down, as are hospital numbers. I do think a lot more people who test positive for Covid now have a much weaker strain compared to if you tested positive early on in this. Look at how many sports people have tested positive without knowing they had it.

 

So you think a lot more people who now test positive have a lot weaker strain than previous. Contact Boris and Cummins quick you need to be on SAGE.

 

I think the point he is making is about posters on here either justifying the actions with ‘ahh but Cummings’ or not posting on here saying he was wrong.

They both do have different roles in today’s world but both actions were wrong end of.

 

And if they had a position they resigned it.

being an MP isn’t something you can get sacked from by the party leader - you’re elected till the end of a parliamentary term.

what’s shocking is the number of times adults on here need to be told how our democracy actually works.

 

Unfortunately the only thing wrong with this is that there have been posts about Labour too.

in fact - here’s a funny point..,

you’re posting in one

 

You regularly post the daily mail without comment, is that not the MSM or do you just mean news stories that disagree with your viewpoint?

 

I think there are quite a few factors that affect the level of reaction;

1) the individual's status - A backbench MP for an opposition party vs the Prime Minister's senior advisor, who had been sitting in the SAGE meetings
2) their response to what they had done - Gardiner was very open about what he was doing. Cummings reversed engineered some **** and bull story to try and cover himself
3) the actual action - Gardiner hasn't actually breached any regulation as far as I understand (police do not have powers to enforce social distancing), Cummings drove the virus from what at the time was the epicentre to an area that wasn't as badly affected, and used their local NHS services. He's got off on a technicality, while Durham police have said they would've sent him back to the cottage if they'd seen him at the castle
4) impact of their actions - related to the status of the individuals. Cummings' actions has completely undermined Government guidance to the point where ministers cannot answer simple questions without fear of incriminating him. See Gove's LBC interview about driving as an example.

 

I agree with everything you’ve posted here, interesting how when we stopped off at Helmsley on our bikes the other week the local PCSO’s had cordoned off the car park and were preventing bikers from stopping there due to concerns about social distancing, but in London we can have thousands of people marching in protest and it’s allowed. Just shows another element of how much this government have fkd up their management of this situation. I do take your points, Cummings and Gardiner aren't the same thing at all.

 

Erm, maybe that has something to do with them being in their 20s and the fittest 0.1% of the population rather than being evidence of the virus mutating....

 

It’s the sheer hypocrisy more than anything.

We’ve had over the weeks prior to Schools reopening teachers who say it’s not safe for kids to be at school...yet there will be a fair number of the same on protests either yesterday in London or those planned for the weekend.

Be parents and students saying the same yet are happy to be jostled along on a protest cos it’s right on brother.

Be hundreds of our nhs staff on the protest while voicing we should all be staying at home, staying safe.

There was 40 plus pages of circle jerking about Cummings breaking the rules yet unless prompted there has been nothing over the Labour MPs doing the same barring one. Even after Gardiners tweet there is very little condemnation on here.

If it was a Tory MP there would have pages of outrage howling about how he should be sacked, tarred and feathered along with outrageous indignation to anyone who suggests an opinion to the contrary.

If I hadn’t posted that picture from the Beeb last night there wouldn’t have been any mention of the protests on here whatsoever or the lack of social distancing. Yet a fair number on here are quite happy to chastise people for going to the beach..

Bear in mind Cummings broke the rules, the protestors the law,

As for the cause, yes it is abhorrent that an unarmed man died during the process of being arrested however, the officers involved in the arrest are all facing multiple charges and should they be found guilty will do substantial prison time. And they’ll be warmly welcomed....

However, the protests have made a mockery of everything with how disproportionately violent they are. More black men have now died from the protests than the actual reason they kicked off.

In London those peaceful protests.. they kicked off from about quarter past 6 attacking police and Downing Street gates not forgetting those pesky journalists...

Yet no condemnation.

If it was a copper giving a kid a crack with a truncheon there would be pages of how the police are ********...

As for ‘Black lives matter’. Don’t make me laugh. They are predominately white left wing political agitators who turn up on the very rare occasion a black unarmed suspect dies during arrest or the posturing fits their narrative. Liberal white people telling black people how to live their lives.

They are hardly data driven in their actions either I think there was 9/10unarmed black deaths last year in the states by law enforcement during the pursuit/arrest process.

Although that figure is too high it pales into insignificance when you look at the actual arrest figures...

Even less in the UK. In fact I’ll have a bet more black lives were lost last night in London due to violent crime than the last five years in police custody.

The police especially over recent years in London have curtailed stop and search to prevent any accusations of racism and racial profiling over the number of black people searched... knife crimes spiked.

They changed how crime was reported at Notting Hill to avoid the same and showing it for the carnage it is.

In a couple of weeks BLM will have crawled back under its rock waiting for the next time to kick off and the white liberal middle class virtue signallers will have gone back to not giving a **** about black lives matter until next time.

The biggest killer of black people isn’t law enforcement. It’s other black people. But you’ll not hear that on a BLM March but how they are oppressed by the system.

The system isn’t what oppresses the black community, it’s constantly being told they are oppressed.

Little Delroy who can’t get a job because he is illiterate. The systems racist! It’s not, little Delroy is illiterate because he couldn’t be arsed with school and would rather hustle on street corners. His mother doesn’t care cos he’s bringing in good money. Only time she will mention anything is when Delroy becomes a statistic. Another young black kid killed over drugs.

That story is repeated up and down the country day in day out.

There’s the lack of father figure in a lot of these kids lives. The boys become men at a young age having to help support the household and they hustle on the corners.

It’s easy money and lots of it.

As an example, I a bloke in his late 30s can make a couple of calls. I can get an ounce of coke around 70% pure and pay about a grand.

Whack in half an ounce of baking soda or multivitamin powder and I now have 42 deals around 45-50% pure. Given most UK users won’t know the difference between 30% and 50% as they are snorting and likely to be drunk you could cut further..

Anyway, on a weekend I could shift all 42 bags within a couple of hours. At £50 a gram. Which a bit of haggling aside would leave me a grand tax free profit.... A place like London you would be unlucky not to shift five or six times that a night.

I have worked alongside, trained and socialised with people who have and continue to do so, do more to stop kids, Black white brown from killing each other over a postcode. People who have done more than 99% of those on these protests and will continue to do so.

I know lads from various backgrounds still in that life and have the scars to show it and lads who got out because the gang they were in as teenagers was mostly in the ground or if they were lucky in prison.

Until you change the entire mindset nothing will change, that vicious circle will continue.

But yeah let’s show solidarity take a knee and shout black lives matter if it makes you feel better before going back to your houses. The kids back to buying drugs from the very people who’s life’s they claim matter. Back to tutting over another stabbing while watching the news over breakfast.

There’s a protest in Sheffield. The dress code is non descriptive clothing. Wear masks, wear gloves. As much to hide your identity as to protect from any ailments. I wonder when it kicks off, which it will do at some point how many of those there in solidarity over the oppression from the state showing it to the man will regret it in six months when their parents get woken up at six am by a big red key. Looking at public order offences and potential jail will think, was it worth it?

That’s the thing with virtue signalling, it’s like oral sex. One slip and you are in the ****.

I wonder how many on here and prior to these protests actually socialised with people from BAME backgrounds and I mean more than saying how to the big lad in the courthouse before a game... I’d wager very few.

And very few afterwards.

Anyway, I am off for some fried chicken.

 

The even more obvious elephant in the room is that he’s irrelevant.
He’s nothing to do with Government advice , Sage, the daily briefings
The only relevance he had is with Tory’s or likeminded that want to use it as deflection and excuse to what the real culprits are bestowing upon us .
Who cares what he does personally ? I’m looking at the daily briefings of the people that are actually in charge and the Scientists besides them .
The actions of the ex leader of the opposition is totally irrelevant apart from making mute and pointless inferences .

 

Nail on the head pal,I had a couple of mates messaging last night about how they’d posted black squares on their instagram account ‘to raise awareness’ bull$hit. All lives matter.

 

That from Deetee is one of the most disgraceful things I've ever read.

You racist scum.

 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....ouldnt-say-all-lives-matter-a4456686.html?amp

 

I looked at some figures for UK deaths in custody on the BBC website yesterday, apparently over the last 10 years you were 25% more likely to die in police custody if you were white. Don’t white lives matter as well ?? I think it was just over 160 died over the last 10 years with 10 of them being from other ethnic backgrounds, don’t they matter as well ? Does it not strike anyone else as mildly racist all this ? Don’t we all matter ???