My honest assessment of our gov in this pandemic

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  1. blivy

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    I think its pretty clear that lockdown was too late. Last week Neil Ferguson said the death rate could have been halved had we locked down earlier because the rate of infection was doubling every week at that time.

    The issue is, SAGE were not advocating a lockdown at that time, which they freely admit. The government would have had to go against scientific advice to force the closure of so many businesses/schools. A few weeks ago there was a great deal of clamouring for the publication of the SAGE minutes. It was thought that these would show that the government had not "follow the science" and not gone into lockdown earlier enough. However, when they were released we hardly heard about them in the media because of the lack of controversy. Sadly, the unanimous view of SAGE was that a complete suppression of the virus wouldn't be possible, which so far appears not to have been true. Hence why all the early focus was on ensuring the NHS wasn't overwhelmed.

    Ultimately, the buck stops with the government, and its their decisions that need to be held to account. However, I don't think its reasonable to criticize them for not locking down early enough if that wasn't the consensus view of the experts.
     
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    Whatever SAGE were telling them was wrong and they were wrong to keep listening .
    SAGE is going to be Johnson’s scapegoat just as the Lib Dem’s were Cameron’s .
    The real evidence was coming from First China but more recent Spain and Italy .
    They were imploring countries to lockdown and horrific news reports backed it up this while Johnson was going round hospitals shaking hands but telling us to wash them .
    Johnson’s half hearted lockdown with his dad saying he’s going to the pub and SunakS disgusting first budget didn’t fill the country with any confidence this Govt knew what it was doing.
    If we had gone into lockdown earlier and an effective track and trace been out into place we could have been coming out of lockdown by late April imo .
     
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    And the families of the other 1,500 or so a day who die and never get a mention. 28 English deaths recorded over seven different days. Only six of them from the past 24 hours. That number will rise gradually over the next five days or so but still be lower than it's been at any point. One person was aged under 59. We should keep being cautious but we are getting closer and closer to normal life.
     
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    I don't disagree that it was probably the wrong advice, but it would have been pretty brazen to ignore SAGE. Trump-esque almost.
     
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    SAGE didn't disagree about a lockdown - or even contemplate it - because they were under the impression that government wouldn't go for it.
     
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    Agree with this. There needs to be a bit of context with the death numbers. Very sad for the families of loved ones who die of coronavirus, but there are well over a 1,000 people that die in the UK every day who's lives are just as important.
     
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    Take it you've not read the SAGE minutes then.
     
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    Is it not turning anyone else’s stomach to see this guy regularly post skewed statistics from a director of a private healthcare company on record as wanting to see the end of the NHS, repeatedly bang on about how daily announced deaths count towards previous day so that day’s numbers (Only for it to be built up to what was announced in the coming days incrementally) and incessantly totally devalue the life of anyone that had the temerity to have been over 60 or have asthma, who are of so little importance that he feels the need to incessantly remove them from the statistics. (Oh but he’s just showing it’s safe for everyone else to go out and catch it, then return home and give it to their spouse for having the temerity of having their 60th birthday last week).
    Seems quite a few posters on here are 60+, how is it being dispensable enough to be irrelevant should you die?
    PS to be rationalising the deaths of 32 people without their families in terrifying circumstances in just one day when some countries don’t have that number across the whole pandemic is shameful.
     
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    The 1500 I can undestand, it happens, but covid 19 deaths should have stopped weeks ago - look at New Zealand and others.
     
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    We would never stop deaths as quick as New Zealand in a huge country with a few million people. As I have said a few times though I would expect social distancing to finish in August if stats keep going the way they are. Great to see Isle Of Man back to normal today. Hospital admissions here are down on 7 days ago by a fair chunk and all the crowded places we've seen over the past two months haven't made a difference.....

     

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