Independence Day

Alexander Von Schoenburg, editor of Germany's Bild publication recently wrote
"What sends cold sweat running down the spine of European policy makers, he added, is a vibrant, talent-attracting economy right on Europe's doorstep, with rule-books more liberal than the EU's.
The last time I visited Britain to gauge the spirit of your country for my newspaper BILD, I travelled north, to Teesside.
To my surprise, I found local politicians and businessmen talking of low-tax 'freeports' and new opportunities, and people in pubs ridiculing the doomsayers in the south. Decades of EU membership had seemingly done little for prosperity there.
More than one person told me that things might well get better, 'once we're out'.

They could well be right. Europe fears a truly global Britain.

Diehard Remainers still cling to the belief that Britain will stumble, that the forthcoming negotiations on a trade deal will prove tortuous.

I am not so sure. With only ten months of talks left, Britain is in a far better position than most here on the continent dare to admit"

From The same Schoenburg article...
"
Britain looks like it can manage well without the EU. But can the EU manage without Britain?
Your economy is bigger than the 18 smallest EU countries combined. This means in economic terms that the EU will lose not just one member state — but shrink from 28 members to ten.
On a purely fiscal level, the loss of Britain's contribution will have huge implications for the EU's budget."

 

You do know the EU only suspended the talks for Turkish accession in March 2020.

 

You mean like Australia, New Zealand and Canada?

 

They already are proving both tortuous and torturous. We're sacrificing the human rights act, food hygiene and quality standards, rigourous health and safety standards and a free trade deal with 16% of the world's GDP. All we're getting in return so far is America's economic scraps and chicken that has to be dunked in chlorine because it spent its entire life living in its own **** to profit humans.

I'm not negative. I'm positive about international cooperation. The EU allowed me to live together with my wife when the UK wouldn't let us. I owe it my livelihood.

Do I think it's perfect? No. I'm quite far-left and the EU is rather neoliberal and has many right wing values.

Would I rather we had a seat at the table to improve it going forward? Absolutely.

 

Was it my dog ..... you don't ; ive on the Wombwell/Brampton border do you?

I had the bag ready to clean up when then inhabitant of the house opened his window and tried to tell me off for letting my dog do his 'business' on his lawn.

I replied to him 'Next time I'll knock on your door and ask to let my dog use your loo' -

 

The article was written before the pandemic outbreak....but they are facts as seen by others abroad,.
You did start your comment with
"Brexit has already almost cost the economy as much as all of our membership payments combined since the 70s"
Check it with Fullfact it's discredited.
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SB, come on. You know as well as i do the list of requirements for Turkey to enter the EU was as long as your arm. I seem to remember they had about 70 hurdles to cross and it was always clear they would never be able to even come close to doing that.
Cummings has openly acknowledged that he manipulated the electorate by using the spectre of Turkey's entry as a scare tactic. It worked.
As for my comment about it on this thread..yep it was flippant and sarcastic. To be honest though I'm so exasperated with some people on this board now that I don't feel they deserve a sensible answer, they're beyond the pale. The op was clearly starting the thread to cause dissention so I gave a reply I thought appropriate.

 

I thought the second one was rubbish though, I didn't think Equalizer 2 was as good as the first either.

 

These are just opinion pieces by some guy. There's no facts here. There's plenty of facts in this thread and they're all describing the drawbacks of leaving the EU. I'm yet to see any reason why it was a good idea.

This fella has been to a pub in the north east and been told that Brexit will be a good thing.... ok? Who cares. The EU has shown much more care to struggling northern towns that the tories ever have or will - not sure why anybody thinks that this is going to change

 

I'm concerned by Independence Day. What if the Aliens aren't content with the whooping they got and come back for more?

 

Sorry I have to disagree Nardiello, I dont think you should be dismissing them so lightly ...they are opinion pieces....but not by "some guy" ...as if they were tourists that have no real knowledge of UK or EU affairs...one of the sources was The former German Ambassador, a man at the heart of the EU, the other was the editor of Germany's largest publication...but the point is these are independent opinions....it may be an awkward narrative for some in the remain camp to take but the fact is neither of these sources have an axe to grind, they are not the Mail/Express/Guardian or Indy that write articles to endorse their readerships preferences.

 

Why then did George Osborne give Turkey several hundred million pounds to speed up Turkish Accession?
Turkey would possibly be EU members now had the Erdogan coup not taken place, don't let's forget they had already been allowed to join The EU Customs Union and are still members of the EU Mediterranean Partnership.
Personally I'm not against Turkish accession when Erdogan is gone, it might not be a bad thing to have a significant Muslim voice at the table.

 

That's as relevant as Joe Bloggs' opinion in the street. All research and studies out there, they point to it being bleak for us. If they didn't, and I could see a whole host of benefits, I'd happily say so and would have voted to leave. But I'm not an idiot.

Unfortunately, the idiots won that vote for leave. It was such a close vote, 52%, that it goes without saying that the racist, uneducated members of our 'society' tipped it. Just as they had the same impact in giving the worst Tory mob in living memory a huge majority in the GE. That was Cummings and Farage et al, that was their plan all along. They worked the uneducated. Puppeteers.

For clarity - I'm not calling all who voted leave uneducated or racist.

 

What struck me with this whole Brexit argument was if the EU was so all singing and dancing why did it divide opinion with so many politicians. (Red or blue). They are the people supposedly in the know running the country after all?

 

Exactly. There's no problem with Turkish accession if they meet the requirements of the EU. Erdogan totally scuppered that and there was never any prospect of them coming in.

 

Is that the same research & studies that said we’d go straight into a recession on voting for Brexit? Never happened did it? I don’t think anyone can predict what will happen as no one as ever left the EU.

 

well i'm a brexiteer,are you suggesting i think 'white lives matter'?

 

so the uneducated tipped it..did they?

these same 'uneducated 'members also elected the tories.......after decades of supporting labour..

 

Venn diagrams aren't an exact match of sets so no I'm not suggesting that.

 

Sorry YT....if you can't accept the non biased opinions of others you've lost objectivity....it's no good just listening to what you want to hear and repeating it as fact....to dismiss a top German diplomat as "Joe Bloggs".....or as Nardiello said "some guy" is hardly open minded thinking.