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  1. Tyk

    Tyketical Masterstroke Well-Known Member

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    Surely the worst performing health service of any country in the world during the coronavirus pandemic?

    So far we've managed over 40,000 deaths with coronavirus despite a 3 month lockdown which has crippled the economy and according to several sources given us the worst financial hit of all major nations, as well as likely record unemployment and poverty. These numbers are caused by anything up to 50% being related to the policy of discharging elderly and vulnerable patients exposed to the virus into care homes and effectively turning them into death camps, exposing those at risk to the virus while we at the same time protected those at minimal risk at a cost of billions.

    Now the policies adopted by the NHS to effectively shut down all services other than those directly related to COVID are coming home to roost, with an estimate of 30,000 excess and avoidable cancer deaths likely to happen within a year because the NHS, government and its supporters cared more about a nosocomial virus, largely harmless to all but some very specific demographics of the population than they did about cancer:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53300784

    And all this at a bargain cost to the taxpayer of just £1bn every 3 days.

    The ethos and history of the NHS allowing with its frontline workers is rightly a source of national pride, but its running and management during this crisis is an absolute disgrace and when the dust settles I think we will see many of its policy makers on corporate manslaughter charges.
     
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    When you say Policy makers you mean Dominic Cummings ,
     
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    Was just about to post the same thing. Every instruction and guideline has come from the government and not instigated by the NHS who have done a remarkable job given how understaffed and under funded they have been for years
     
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    I agree 100% with that
     
  6. Tyk

    Tyketical Masterstroke Well-Known Member

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    Are they understaffed though, or are they staffed in the wrong areas? You do know the NHS is the 8th largest employer in the world, and the largest employer of any health service in the world?
     
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    In real terms over last 10 years they have been - as for staffing they have lost 10's of thousands of nurses
     
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    The only people that could answer that is someone that works in that area. All we can go on is that it is very well known that they have been underfunded for years so yes they may have personnel in the wrong area or is it a case of well I've got 40k I can't get a doctor for that so 2 nurses will have to do?
     
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    Yet they still employ 1.4m people. What are they all doing?
     
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    I bet at least half of those people are administrators and not front line doctors and nurses
     
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    Article starts with - we have been asked if it was government policy - next line that is correct. Also says discharge policy came from from Department of Health and Social Care
     
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    I think we're agreeing. If we accept the universal assertion that there aren't enough front line workers - and I've no reason to disagree with that - then logic dictates that they must be massively bloated and wasteful in other areas, no?
     
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    Yes but the Government put out policy under the NHS logo , for instance the change from Stay at Home to Stay Alert , was sent out as NHS advice when in reality no one in the NHS was consulted about the change
     
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    I am amazed how many political,financial,scientific and football experts on this board.Barnsley should be renamed Utopia.
     
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    They are.

    The medical staff do a fantastic job and are hugely underpaid. I don’t think anyone disagrees with that. The NHS itself needs a massive overhaul.

    120,000 doctors
    300,000 nurses

    1.4 million employees.
     
  17. Tyk

    Tyketical Masterstroke Well-Known Member

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    Top post. People from Barnsley shouldn't have an opinion at all. Let's carry on being good Tory lapdog shiteaters.
     
  18. Tyk

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    Which is part of the point, the two are therefore fundamentally interchangeable then it that case? In which case it's a bought and paid for service by the taxpayer like any other government department, and we're in order calling out wastefulness and disastrous policy decisions that lead to catastrophic loss of life?
     
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    Agreed. So why do we keep accepting and trotting out like its a universal truth that it's underfunded then? How can we say that when we're all acknowledging and agreeing that it's vastly bloated and wasteful in non clinical and frontline areas?
     
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    Here we go. Enough time chip chip chipping away at the NHS and people are finally blaming it.
    All coincidence I suppose that the most vocal on this has been Karol Sikora the director of a private healthcare company.
    Would be fascinating, seeing people turn on their own interests in real time, if it weren’t for the grave consequences for the health of myself, my friends and my family in the inevitable privatisation of healthcare that folks like this are being slowly turned towards.
     
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