so if they finish in the bottom 3 then the points deduction would be applied next season in league 1. But if they do not finish in the bottom 3 the deduction would be applied this season and the table adjusted accordingly. So suppose they finsh outside the bottom 3 and the - 12pts still does not take them down, this would mean they would begin the next season all square with a clean sheet on the same footing as the rest of the championship teams........how is this a punishment ? https://www.efl.com/news/2020/july/efl-statement-wigan-athletic/
That's the rules, perhaps you are more for automatic relegation if someone goes into administration? I don't have a strong opinion either way, but it makes sense not to dock 12 points if already down. Sounds like you'll only be happy with it if they start next season relegated or maybe in championship minus 12 points? I wouldn't have any issue with either stance.
a 12 point deduction is a 12 point deduction - it's significant to their final league position even if they don't go down. The punishment for admin isn't relegation so I think it's right to do it this way
so imagine this scenario we put together a good run but are 3rd from bottom with Wigan pipping us by 1 point.
In any scenario they are not in a good place currently. If they somehow scrape finish outside the bottom 3 even with the 12 point deduction applied this season, they would be on a super super tight budget next season and will most likely need to sell assets to balance books so I would then expect them to drop next season.
and then a bear fell from the trees! imagine this scenario. rules are rules and the EFL have enforced them.
That just means Wigan were 13 points better than us over the course of the season, and despite being given the expected 12 point deduction outlined in the rules, they performed well enough to offset it and we didn’t perform well enough to benefit from it.
dunno, but it just seems not right. If it had been a few other clubs they would have turned a blind eye as they have done on many occasions.
this was my point in the original wigan in admin thread. But not just about wigan, if say millwall were to go into admin. Would a 12 point deduction to them really be a punishment? They could afford to lose 12 points and better to do it now than in the off season.
Sounds as though it’s all up in the air at the minute . Lisa Nandy has asked the EFL to dismiss the 12 point penalty due to the nature of the suspicions of being placed into administration , She’s also written to the Sports Minister Oliver Dowden to investigate how the EFL allowed the sale of Wigan under its Fit and Proper Persons clause . Wouldn’t surprise me if Parry stops the points deduction to curb the criticism of the EFL and try and kick it in the long grass under the guise of an inquiry. Might be the Cynic in me but I Trust the people running our sport as far as I can pick up my house and throw it .
Bolton again. Will they never learn? IMHO the punishment for going into admin should be automatic relegation. There are precedents, Swindon demoted from the Premier League and Luton chucked out of the League altogether - albeit by imposition of an impossibly severe points deduction I believe. Note the names, as ever the authorities only ever punish those lacking the clout to fight back.
I think both of your examples were deducted points and sanctioned for severe financial irregularities and in Lutons case repeated administration.
Swindon weren't demoted from the Premier League, they were relegated in 1994. In 1990, financial irregularities meant their promotion to Division 1 via a Wembley Play Off Victory over Sunderland was made null and void. They were initially relegated to Division 3, but were reinstated to Division 2 on appeal. Sunderland were promoted to Division 1 in their place.
When is the deadline for going into administration. Eg. If a club can/does hang on till the season ends. Knowing full well that going into administration is a definite. Will hang around to see what punishment they can receive. But staying in the championship. The Wigan situation stinks cos if the reasons suspected are true. And I genuinely think they would have waited until safe with a points reduction before doing what they did. Or are they super confident they’ll escape. a big gamble. (sorry for the pun).
We are in the position we are in due to the recruitment and retention policy applied by the board if we get relegated it will be because of a massive misjudgement by the board not because of Wigan only getting a 12 point reduction. The board decided to cash in on all its saleable assets in one window, you could say they had their hands forced by the players and their agents if you want to be sympathetic to them, however they are totally responsible for the mess that the recruitment last summer was. They decided to recruit mostly inexperienced players from leagues inferior to the championship in a scattergun approach with little reference to the then head coach or the needs of building a successful championship squad. If Barnsley FC go down the blame and responsibility for that lies fairly and squarely at the door of Mr Lee, Mr Conway and co.
I think, unless a buyer is found tout suite, Wigan will struggle to finish the season. I cannot understand how they plan on paying wages for the next month or so, unless they sell folk immediately.
Lutons was ridiculously harsh though they got a heavy penalty when the new owners found the previous owners has been less than honest with their dealings and informed the powers that be end result was a 30 point penalty quote from one of the new Luton directors at the time. Stephen Browne, a director of the club's new owners LTFC2020, believes the Hatters are again being punished for the previous mismanagement of the club. He said: "It's quite clear that we have made a mistake. We placed our faith in the footballing authorities. We have tried to do everything openly and honestly. The very clear message from both the FA and Football League is that doing such a thing is a total waste of time." We only need to look at the different way Bury and Bolton have been treated to see what he said then still holds so the question isn't should Wigan be punished for entering administration but are they a big club or a small club In fact I think the punishment will stick - the EFL can hardly say the management passed their fit and proper persons test and then say they were crooks and so we will waive the penalty - that is a bit much even for them.
