It’s the care homes fault

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  1. man

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    Since lockdown I've been working in a private care home and can honestly say the staff are all extraordinary fantastic and caring individuals.

    Nothing more could have been done to ensure everyone's safety.

    I'm certain the ''blame" lies elsewhere.

    My Dad is in another. Just rushed into hospital with a severe infection and got tested. It was covid so was returned to the home as that's where he contacted it. Fortunately he fought it off so to speak.
     
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    We have a Prime Minister who visited a Covid ward, shook hands with patients, doctors and nurses then went home and infected his pregnant girlfriend and colleagues, but none of this is his fault, its the public/care workers/teachers/landlords etc etc etc :(
     
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    I know all that. I'm saying when you strip it all back and put aside political allegiances we're all to blame in some way.
     
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    the level of responsibility for the PM and the government are higher than the general public, senior government advisors and people around the government have flouted the rules and nothing is done, they sow confusion and send out mixed messages and encourage the public to blame each other instead of them
     
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    That is a shocking story.

    I thought the nightingale hospitals were meant for follow up care, but they seem to have largely been unused.
     
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    The owners of these big private care homes could have done more sooner and have a responsibility to there staff and residents. There charging/making enough.
     
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    The protocol for the UK as signatories to International agreements and as members of the UN,WHO,G20,EU, was that we would have plans to deal with Major Incidents and Pandemics and Endemics. The department responsible for this would be the NHS, who would oversee that plans were in place nationally and locally and there was enough stock to manage and distribute accordingly.
    However, since the fragmentation and market internalisation of the NHS,which started in 1988 and accelerated through the 2012 Lansley Reforms, we have no coherent method of doing this. There are no local and regional health authorities, with a clear chain of command, leading back to the Secretary of state for Health.
    So you are partially right in what you say, however after 10 years of austerity, policy changes, who is responsible?
    The Secretary of State is blaming local health trusts, it's not their role to do National Procurement and Planning, it's his,with the corroboration of other Cabinet Depts. Civil servants would have kept him up to date with the policy and stock levels and extinction dates. How many meetings did he have with Health leaders and Cabinet colleagues? What checks did he undertake? This isn't something new,it was happening when I started in the 1980s. All Health Trusts annually carry out Major Incidents Practices and report their findings. Other countries do the same.
    Social care is now provided by the Private sector and has no joined up leadership. So technically it is up to them individually to make plans and provision. We have been waiting 3 years for publication of the government's Green Paper on Social care,author,one Matt Hancock.
    As a country, rather than look for who to blame,we should be improving our ability to manage future problems. Sadly,I believe lots of good people are going to be sacrificed to protect a incompetent failing government.
    This Global Pandemic has shamed the UK, many thousands of people are dead who should be alive today. All the government and their allies can do is seek to shed accountability and responsibility. Mistakes have been made but where has been the leadership and direction in Major Incident Planning detail been?
     
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    Very sad I'm just band 2 canon fodder.
     
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    I've known that normally Johnson and his ilk are pathological liars and when they come on TV
    I turn it down or over. Personally can't stand the buffoon.
     
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    Some trusts did manage to stockpile in January others didn’t.
     
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    It's disgusting what these right-wing minded people and politicians say and do, Johnson said yesterday it was the care homes fault, his father jets off to Greece via Bulgaria against all recommendations, Farage jets off to the USA against all recommendations, Cummings with his lockdown trip to Barnard Castle and yet some people are stupid enough to believe they have done nothing wrong.
    My favourite of all time Johnson's idiotic sayings is "we have an oven-ready Brexit" only trouble is it's got burnt in the oven.
     
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    Surely the tory hierarchy must be thinking seriously about finding support within the party to get shut of Johnson and stop further embarrassment. There must be a limit, even for the hard faced tories.
    Of course, that begs the question, who’d replace him?
     
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    Every Trust was told to stock up and prepare in January, some did, some didn’t. It was described to me as the ones on budget did the ones over budget chose not to. The Government then stepped in, firstly they cancelled all budgets to every Trust and made a commitment that all PPE.costs could be claimed back from Central Govt, this resulted in large majority of trusts then trying to buy at same time. When this wasn’t enough the Govt then commandeered all PPE at source effectively bottlenecking the supply chain.
    This meant private enterprises like Care homes were starved of PPE as the general market was starved of products.
    You could also add to this the fact that some Trusts who stocked up in Jan didn’t share their stock levels/stock with other Trusts.

    Edit: PPE in the general market is still a major issue with costs escalating by nearly 4 times the price for disposable gloves.
     
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    Nope

    the NHS isn’t a government department. Responsibility lies with the department for health and social care.

    Not that your post is generally incorrect :)
     
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