The NHS

Clearly this is a terrible story, but the fact that two completely different people on here alone confirmed they knew of people diagnosed and treated during Covid, shows it wasn’t all and wasn’t a National policy.

 

I live in England so that is what I'm referring to

 

It's just cancer Matt. Just cancer. And you aint seen nothing yet.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000kqzv/panorama-britains-cancer-crisis

So earlier I watched the Panorama about the cancer crisis we are in and it's not for the faint hearted, infact it made me angry that people have died because treatment was cancelled to deal with Covid and many others now have terminal cancer. One guy on there has a 3 month old he's not going to see grow up because everything wrongly stopped for Covid.

 

So upsetting. Some of us could see that the lockdown policy was destined to cost more lives than it saved, but the pressure on the government from those terrified by the hysterical messaging on mainstream and social media effectively left them with no choice.

The most galling thing though was that lockdowners set themselves up as the moral guardians, and anyone against that policy didn’t care about life.

 

And all because the vulnerable weren't trusted to protect themselves so others had to die to do it for them

 

Professionally qualified clinical staff
make up over half (53.1%) of the HCHS workforce (605,876 FTE) in March 2020.

Then you have to include cleaners, cooks e,receptionists etc. I've no doubt there is bloat but you don't employ that number of staff and not require administrative support and payroll etc.

 

Tory plant. Cummings latest message to create a Teflon government. Disgraceful post.

 

In fact it would seem the "too many middle managers" claim is just a myth.

How many managers are there in the NHS?


It is extremely difficult to find an accurate figure for the number of managers in the NHS, and most sources of information use different definitions for who is counted as a manager. Best estimates suggest that the NHS spends roughly £8 billion of its £100 billion budget on management and administration. The NHS Information Centre shows that there were about 43,000 NHS managers in 2009 (about 3.7 per cent of the total workforce), although this figure does not include many clinical managers.

Office for National Statistics, the proportion of managers in the UK workforce as a whole in June 2010 was 15.4 per cent. These statistics also show that there were 77,000 hospital and health service managers across the United Kingdom, or 4.8 per cent of the NHS workforce. In other words, the NHS has a managerial workforce that is one-third the size of that across the economy as a whole.

Is it a myth or a fact?
Myth. The NHS in England is a £100 billion-a-year-plus business. It sees 1 million patients every 36 hours, spending nearly £2 billion a week. Aside from the banks, the only companies with a larger turnover in the FTSE 100 are the two global oil giants Shell and BP. If the NHS were a country it would be around the thirtieth largest in the world.

If anything, our analysis seems to suggest that the NHS, particularly given the complexity of health care, is under- rather than over-managed.

https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/projects/health-and-social-care-bill/mythbusters/nhs-managers

 

As usual people spout ***** on here.

 

Exactly, has you say I've been having cancer treatment all through lockdown and still am, yes there was a bit of switching of plan during it and I switch to different hospitals too but the treatment never stopped and neither did it for others as the department's I was in were always busy and we'll staffed, so from an actual point of view of being in the mist's of it all then, no the article is very misleading

 

I'm sorry you've got cancer and hope you get better. I'm pleased your treatment continued. For thousands it didn't. Thousands weren't screened. This happened. That it didn't happen to you, and I'm pleased it didn't, doesn't mean it didn't happen to other people.

 

You're right, cancer treatment has continued for some. Sadly though it hasn't for all.
A family member had his treatment paused in march, it hasn't resumed yet. Presumably as they feel he's over the worst of it so can afford to risk his life holding off on further treatment for a while.

Another who has previously had cancer which returned and was again beaten is in a high risk category for it returning a third time and so has regular scans to check. Well he did but the one that was scheduled for march was cancelled and is yet to be rebooked. That means that while he's supposed to get a check every 3 months it's now 6 months since his last check and there's no sign of any check coming anytime soon. If it has returned then the damage it could have done in those vital months could signal death.

That's the only two people I know personally who are under a cancer program and both have had treatment stopped.

Then there's other things, I've posted on here before that my elderly neighbour has a serious condition (not cancer) which saw him have daily nurse visits, blood tests and medication administered by the nurse every day. That was stopped in march and hasn't resumed.

 

I was told that I WANT people to die

 

It depends what you would define as a middle manager. I think my definition would differ greatly from above. We have 2 community teams that have more band 6,7 and 8"s than you can shake a stick at: appalling waste of resources.

 

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learly this is a terrible story, but the fact that two completely different people on here alone confirmed they knew of people diagnosed and treated during Covid, shows it wasn’t all and wasn’t a National policy.[/QUOTE]
A young lad who knocks about with us has continued with his chemo throughout too. He finished his last course 2 weeks ago.

 

Yes, Conservative central office are specifically going round creating bots with 20 years of pro Labour and Europe postings just to undermine the NHS on a football message board for nobheads.

The very fact you can’t even bear to see any questions asked should tell you everything you need to know.

 

NHS is underfunded and understaffed in key areas and to say its under performing due to the high death toll is a bit of a joke. I have worked in the NHS for around 3 years (in IT) and the amount of kit/services we in our department have not been able to provide due to lack of monies is crazy.

My mum was a nurse for many years and then moved from her clinical role into an office based role helping new students after wanting a change, due to the pandemic she had to be redeployed back onto the wards to help out. Having to go back to the crazy 14 hour shifts helping those in need. If the NHS had enough funding they could pay for more doctors, nurses etc. We have a lot of non clinical staff in our trust and nationwide (like myself) but although we don't do as much as a noble and difficult job as those on the front line, we help support them to be able to do the work as effectively as they can.

As for there stats around deaths, that cannot solely lay with the NHS. The goverment should have locked down the nation sooner and with much stricter rules in place. And most importantly, the public should have stuck to those rules better to avoid catching the virus.

 

Nephew works in IT dept too, the lack of investment even on the IT side over the years is shocking too.

My best mate is an Accountant for NHS and he has often said it would be cheaper to instal new as cost of constantly updating/maintaining is prohibitive.
Although I believe they started to upgrade last year and more recently money available to enable home working etc.