Felt reasonably confident until I read this

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  1. Old Goat

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    Do clubs get different amounts of prize money, based on their final place in the table? Is that the initial effect of a points deduction - with relegation or loss of a promotion/play-off spot an additional effect, where applicable?
     
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    Not in the Championship , everyone gets the same at start if season pending TV apps etc .
     
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    The main problem with that, is that a points deduction punishment at the end if a season that doesn’t lead to relegation isn’t a punishment.
     
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    I’m not sure everyone is saying that. I’m hoping common sense prevails, but very much glass half empty on this one.
     
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    the punishment isn't relegation though. the punishment is -12 points. If relegation is a by product of that so be it.
     
  6. Loko the Tyke

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    And this is what gets me. There would be no Wigan appeal if they hadn't been relegated.

    On that basis, there is no right to an appeal (which obviously there nearly always is, but you get my point).
     
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    I'm not too worried frankly.

    Why did Wigan go into administration? Because their new owner didn't have enough cash, or the desire to, subsidise significant operating losses at the football club.

    Its as straight forward as it can get when looking at the basics of it. You can then look at the other aspects and conspiracy theories floating around and do any of those impinge on the owners choice/need to seek insolvency advice and then have the matter taken out of his hands? No.

    Are the EFL consistent in applying the agreed written punishment for falling into administration? Yes. Is it applied at the right time? Yes. is there precedent for this punishment? Yes.

    The sole thing this panel should be considering is was this caused by a single act of force majeure and not a club overspending repeatedly and living beyond its means? That's for the legal teams to argue and the panel to consider.

    If this is overturned it will create huge gaping holes in EFL financial rules and frankly, EFLs position on FFP and administration could well be on shaky ground under repeated challenge. Not to mention legal challenges galore from each side of the argument for footballing solvency.
     
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    but in Wigan’s case either reducing or wiping their points means exactly the same.
     
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    I do wonder if the administrators openness to admit this publicly could come back to bite them? In broad daylight they've agreed with a 12 point deduction as fitting the crime.

    Krasner plays a very chancey murky form of administration and i find it disappointing he's throwing away £500k of money that could be paying wages or swingeing cuts weren't as heavily required.
     
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    Begs the question, what would've happened if West Brom had gone into administration on the 1st July? Would they have been forced to play in the play offs, while appealing?
     
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    Just want tomorrow to be over and done with now its a horribly disconcerting feeling lol
     
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    I keep hearing this force majeure thing bandied about, how can it be unforseen circumstances when the deal was completed during the lockdown (1st july), you don,t have to forsee it, your already in the middle of it...
     
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    I don't understand how a club can disassociate themselves from actions that it's owner takes in the club's name. But probably something in it that the lawyers know about.

    No doubt, the EFL have gone into the hearing with some ten bob lawyer, and had their bellies tickled again.
     
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    Never seen such nonsense. This geezer might ultimately be right about the outcome, but he hasn't offered a scintilla to support his view. The new owner (approved by EFL) blatantly put the club into administration. So how can he possibly say that the events were outside his control?
     
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    I don’t really understand their argument.
     
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    Tbh for me it’s not the facts of the case nor the clear rules or intent in which they’re being contested in .
    The rules are the rules which are very clear the punishment is very clear , it’s clear there’s no outside force majeure what the club has done can’t be unforeseen when it’s the club itself that’s done it .
    The one and only thing that worries me is the integrity of the panel and the blatant excuses it will have for not invoking the clear and obvious rules penalty for breaking clear and obvious rules .
    That is the one and only thing in Wigan’s favour .
     
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    ‘Everyone on here’ FFS have a word with yourself, There are differing opinions about the outcome in every thread relating to this
     
  20. Red

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    I disagree - the EFL have a hell of a lot riding on this case and will fight it every bit of the way. If their docking of 12 points off Wigan is overturned their credibility is fkd.

    If Wigan fail to present a strong enough case for the points NOT to be deducted this season then they will be relegated.
    As a result another team which happens to be BFC is not relegated.
    The primary issue is not should BFC be relegated - the main issue is does Wigan's punishment stand ? (d.v. yes!)
     
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