I would prefer it was mandatory for the so called scientists to tell us what their game is when it's proven hospitality is responsible for 1 in 20 infections at the most. It would just give people more reason to....... 1) Uninstall the app so infections aren't found as quickly and the rate goes down. 2) Sneak people in to your homes so you get company somewhere.
Pubs opened on the 4th July. There was no discernable increase in infections, or hospitalisations during July and August. They started to go up in September. So how has the science determined that closing pubs will bring the rates down?
This from the same guy who referenced the ‘29th or 30th February’ in response to a question during the lockdown?
This guy has been watching too much Eastenders n Coronation st where all the residents spend all day in the pub. How many pubs would survive with a 6pm closing when most folk are out at work.
As someone who works in a pub I'd be interested to see the support package for this ridiculous idea! We are in level 1 here in Selby for now but if we shift to level 2 he won't have to worry about 6pm close as we will be shut anyway without a package to cover the restrictions we would already face. How they are getting away with putting all these hurdles in place without any support I will never know.
I’ve got a Masters degree in a science from probably the world’s leading University. As an example, one of the lecturers at the time was Professor David King, who’s since served as Chief Scientific Officer. One thing common to nearly all of the senior fellowship at the University was that they were immeasurably intelligent and renowned in their specific field of expertise. However, it was almost as universally common that they were pretty much inept socially, lacked common sense and real world lived experience and often displayed a really surprising level of general knowledge outside their field of specificity. We’ve turned these weird, social misfit guys into demi Gods where we hang off their every word and revere their opinions on something that for many of them (and I exclude Van Tam from this, but Vallance is a prime example) sits outside of their sphere of expertise. They also genuinely don’t understand the impact of some of the things they’re saying on every day life.
Transmission was low when the pubs re-opened so there wasn't an immediate problem, but when it began to circulate significantly again in September, pubs became one of the key settings for it. Just one infected person on a pub crawl, who hadn't self isolated when he should, caused one of the first local lockdowns in Aberdeen if you remember. A similar thing happened in Bolton.
I've been wondering the same, in my area one pub in particular seems to have been a flagship for the spread of Covid....hundreds packed in..flouting all the rules although it was shut down for violent outbreaks...the rest appear to have acted quite reasonably....the top and bottom of it no one knows because they daren't share info due to GDPR.
This suggestion was from the scientific folk though not from the cabinet or government. Think tyketical masterstroke hit the nail on the head when mentioning ultra intelligent folk not understanding normal social life.. See it a lot in other fields where some really intelligent people with more letters after their name than they can fit on a business card seem to have no level of common sense.
scientists do not make decisions it’s the role of politicians to review their advice and make decisions. Recently they have rejected advice that points to a circuit lockdown. Whether they are right or not I guess we will know soon but the responsibility always lays with the Govt.
I guess it’ll depend how the next month plays out. If we end up on full lockdown again might not be seen as a good move. But who the chuff knows anymore.
Let's start a campaign claiming Tories spread covid.....then the simple solution get rid of the lot of them and their paymasters Simple really
The media more than at any point this year seem to be going more and more against the government. A story like that not long since would have been hidden away inside not front page.
So we had a national lockdown and during that time the hospitality industry made huge changes both physically and mentally to how they would operate going forwards. Tables removed, screens everywhere, table service, reduced hours etc etc. At the same time schools which had the same period of lockdown, in fact longer, did sod all. Care homes did sod all And yet it's the hospitality industry who is now being forced to close again because those other two big hotspots didn't do anything, both of which are largely under government control or governance. Utterly disgraceful and even more disgraceful that people defend these actions or think it will make a blind bit of difference. The ONLY thing that will make a difference is making sweeping changes to schools and actually putting an ounce of effort into making care homes safer but nobody cares because out of sight, out of mind.
Schools have made big changes. And it's not great for kids in schools now, particularly those that struggle with it. Breaks arent mucking around with bates, they're sit down, face forwards and have your snack. No "fun" lessons due to woodwork room housing only year 11s for eg. Its not just hospitality losing out .
We opened hospitality in early July to no problems at all. In the middle of September a few weeks after education had opened back up the infections kept shooting up with no sign of stopping. Pubs and restaurants keep being bullied when they are really safe to go to. Education where distancing is hardest is a hotbed for infections. Care homes haven't learned a thing because yet again it's one of the most dangerous places to be. 'Other' is probably shops which even though it's 5 times worse than hospitality they can still remain open even in tier 3.