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  1. Tyke_67

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    Graham Alexander scored 77 career penalties. He only missed 6. That's some record.

    Rickie Lambert only ever missed 3 from over 50.
     
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    Yes its working so far. Will the next keeper to face Woodrows spot kick just flying himself to the right?
     
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    Missen because it means more to me than anybody else.
     
  5. Tek

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    I would say that if Woodrow hits them that hard and they go into the top corner (on either side) unless the goalie moves before the kick then even if he guessed correctly he would be unable to save it.

    I read - although I have not done the maths) that the average speed of penalty kick from a professional footballer is 70mph and the ball hits the net 0.4 seconds after the ball is struck. No goalkeeper on Earth could reach the ball in that time from a standing start without going early.

    I don't know if they are instructed to do so but any ref should order a penalty struck that accurately and at that speed, if saved, to be retaken as the goalkeeper MUST have moved early. Only chance a goalkeeper should have is if the ball is not hit hard enough and/or not placed into either top corner. Even if Woodrow hit the next 99 penalties in the same spot at that pace and the goalkeeper knows he is going to do so then from the centre of his goal he could never reach it.
     
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    They’re allowed to ‘move’ early, even come forward a little, so long as one foot is in contact with the goal line when the ball is struck
     
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    Someone German, and not someone Dutch or English.
     
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    So do you think it is possible even if they move early to reach a ball within .0.4 seconds ( plus the 'anticipation' time?). I am only asking as I haven't a clue although I have only ever seen penalties saved when hit low at that sort of pace. Can't ever recall seeing one saved in the top corner.
     
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    Yep, easily the best penalty taker we've ever had. I was never even remotely nervous when he stepped up to take one. Cauley is pretty good though.
     
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    Muller's save, think it was Neil Mellor for Preston. Might not have been quite in the top corner, but it's the best pen save I've ever seen.

    Also shows how rare they are!
     
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    Well remembered mate! :) Although, sadly in this day and age it wouldn't be allowed as he's got both feet off the line as he's taken a step forward
     
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    Hmmm!!! I am probably being picky but the goalie is well off his line when the ball is kicked and the shot is only just above waist height. Freezing the replay as the goalie connects with it the trajectory does not look like a ball heading into the top corner a la Woodrow's penalties. Great save, nevertheless but not sure given those two points it qualifies as an 'unstoppable' penalty.
     
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    How would the Ref know what pace it was hit at?
    Linford Christie was disqualified from 1996 Olympics because he false started. When investigated afterwards it was proven that his reaction time was 0.086 of a second, but because the technology was not available in the starter blocks it was deemed anything under 0.1 second had to be a false start.
     
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    Not when I look at it. The trajectory of that penalty is more towards the top corner than Woodrow's have been. Muller has come forward a bit, which means it's lower when he saves it than it would have been had it crossed the line.
     
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    The average speed of a penalty is 70mph...0.4 seconds boot to net. Pretty sure you I or an experienced ref can tell if a ball has been well struck. Given modern laws re staying on line, even if as Scoff pointed out the goalie can anticipate the direction and start to move, I maintain a well placed well struck ball is unstoppable.
     
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    It may well be unstoppable I haven’t done the maths either.
    My point was about every one saved how does someone decide if it’s well struck?
    Is it 70mph, 60, 50 ?
    what about if the keeper is 6ft 6 does it have to be struck harder than one who is 5ft 10.
    I just think there are too many variables to have a blanket if it’s struck well & saved ruling.
     
  19. Tek

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    YeaH OK. I agree with that. The main thing is ensuring the Goalie doesn't stretch the rules beyond breaking point.
     
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    Just about Woodrow and his penalty technique. There are two really good pics of him of his penalty in the last game on the BFC website gallery.

    It shows how much he pivots as he strikes it and how the natural instinct of the keeper will natural push them to dive to their left. Even if they go the right way, if he strikes it like he did against bristol with that positioning, the keeper just isn't going to save it.

    But we cant be due anymore this season, surely. 4 penalties in a season for us is like promotion winning form!
     

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