Struber/Ismael - different attitudes regarding the opposition

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    Way too early too tell in my opinion
     
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    But the forward press did result in the first goal. Here you see the front 3 pressing their defence from a throw in. The Derby Number 16 plays the ball back to their keeper, resulting in the mistake and the first goal. I stated yesterday that it was resulting from a press, and I stand by that. The BBS and me are right - BBC Radio Sheffield reporter is wrong.
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    Stendel tried to tag the press on to 4-4-2. It made for a very open game, which is fine when your players are better than those of the opposition, and you take a bigger proportion of your chances. But when it is the other way round, it is a disaster. As you say, Struber did what he had to do. He did not have all the players that he needed for the system, and even this season, we were a forward and a No10 short, but I liked him. I liked him because I understood his system, and I understood how is was supposed to work. For Ismael, I am going back to school.
     
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    Cauley Woodrow was not close enough to press the player with the ball, but the main man is the keeper, and he is not pressured at all. He has the time and the room to kick the ball anywhere. He tries the find a player on their right, and Chaplin intercepts. Perhaps we need to discuss exactly what we both understand by the press. My understanding is this. The player with the ball is pressured by our forward. He is rushed into making a pass that he does not want to make. The receiver of that pass is immediately pressed in a similar way, and that continues until the press forces an error (a misplaced pass, a block or a tackle). That is not what happened in that clip.

    What I descibed in the Radio Sheffield clip was what Chaplin said, and not what Radio Sheffield said.

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    I've just listened to his interview in iFollow and I'm sure he attributed his goal to the press.
     
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    I have got myself involved in an argument about a game that I did not see. I hope that you do not mind, but I am going to leave this argument as quickly as possible before I am outed.
     
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    We had pressed their back three throughout the first half hour, just like we did Watford, and just like Watford, Derby kept trying to shuffle the ball across the backline side to side, often using the 'keeper. He'd had two dodgy moments prior to the goal, because of the pressing work of Woodrow, Chaplin and Frieser up top, and the next line behind that pushing on too. They were reluctant to go long and tried to play through the press. Like Watford.

    It's why they had 70% of the ball. 32% of that possession was that of the back three and 'keeper. Rooney had another 10% of their possession, often in a sweeper or full-back position, trying to get them playing.

    I'd say the first goal and the error was forced by the press. The second goal was a thing of beauty. Great tackle in the box, a superb interception and calmness from defenders, moved on by players through the lines until Victor scored with a wonderful finish.

    We barely had the football, but when we did have it, we looked very dangerous.

    It was a great team performance.
     
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    Of course Cauley is close enough to the Number 16 to press, he only has 2 passes on and he has already made his mind up to play it back to their keeper. The front 3 keep running forwards towards the GK and he misplaces the pass to Chaplin. At no time do the front 3 retreat allowing the GK to play any ball he likes.
     
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    It's not an argument RR, it's a discussion. It's what makes it enjoyable to come on here, to discuss things. Please don't think for a minute we were arguing
     
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    Watch it again. Woodrow runs away from the keeper.

    Look, we are going to have to agree to differ on this one. I am not happy getting involved in an argument about a match that I have not seen.
     
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    Still not arguing :) but Woodrow is running towards the other defender to block off the GK's options. There's 3 Barnsley players within yards of 3 out of 4 defenders, cutting down the GKs options, resulting in a mistake, resulting in a goal.
     
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    Think VI is doing well with the tools he’s got? I do
     
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    No problem as I certainly didn't want an argument either.
     
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    They were definitely going for the win, ended up defending too deep at times but I'm not sure that was the game plan.
     
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    I think the same is with Victor.

    He’s come back from injury, and he’s said publicly (in a way) that Victor solves the current striker issue for now.

    He then puts Victor on, before Schmidt and Miller, and the rest is history.

    It’s empowering people with that extra belief and confidence in their ability. Someone who’s half-decent but very confident will go a long way.
     
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