Petrol/Diesel cars

Not to be sold after 2030, with Hybrids stopped 5 years later. Sounds like a long way away, but think back to 2010. Seems like about 10 minutes ago.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-54981425

 

10 years to get the infrastructure in place for electric cars then. I'd happily buy one tomorrow if there were more charging points, and they weren't so expensive. £28k for an electric corsa seems a bit steep at the minute

 

Be more interesting as to when they stop making em. Because of that. I reckon production will stop or be minimal, years before.
Hybrids following suit. A few yrs later.
The cost of fuel ( petrol/Diesel) going through the roof due to lack of demand. Imo.
Plans to build a large Nuclear plant at Sizewell. Actually is a scary thought. For future generations. Regardless of assurances of safety.

 

IMHO Persisting with Electric cars is driving up a blind alley (sorry for the pun) From the extraction of the heavy metals through to disposing of them (even after they have been used twice (one for the car and then, when partially depleted for power storage banks) i.e. the life cycle of the car manufacture to scrapping, they are more environmentally damaging than ICE vehicles. Hydrogen fuel cells , however many challenges technically still remain in cost effective production storage and distribution is really the only viable way to remove the ICE from the system. I cannot understand the thinking behind the race for electric vehicles. The sheer amount of electricity wasted in cable loss getting the power from power generating station to charging points, vehicle hauling heavy batteries around wasting energy, and the infrastructure required (Hydrogen would merely require existing petrol stations to adapt storage and fleets of tankers designed to safely transport hydrogen to them) rather than the cost of hundreds of thousands of chargers .
As to quoted 'range of vehicles'. EV batteries will last around 8 years before the charge hold drops, but the problem of range quoted does not cover things like needing a heater on in winter, AC on in summer (both energy hungry). What about being stuck on a motorway for hours caught up in an accident in the middle of winter . You either freeze (great with a car full of kids) or watch the battery level dropping to the point where you are faced with the choice of turning the heater off or desperately trying to find the nearest charge point (Like lots of others with be doing on the same stretch)
All talk of new tech batteries- Fast charging omits to point out the fact that fast charging requires many kilowatts input power. Many properties (particularly rural) would have insufficient supply to charge at more than 13A which increase the charging time massively, coupled with the increased distances in rural areas it is more a case of needing a full charge each time rather than a top up. The whole scheme is pie-in-the-sky and the main supporters on forums are usually city dwellers with- young and fit living in a flat area who cycle or have good public transport links. Try cycling when you live in very hilly areas, in winter, when you are 40+!!

 

Surely you meant the other way round, at least initially. Maybe decades later when all the oil producers stop pumping and the refineries have been converted into shopping centres.

 

In the height of lockdown petrol prices went below £1 per litre so I agree.

 

I agree with the rest of your post, but this is nonsense. I'm 64 and cycle every day, at least 10 miles. For the last 2 years I cycle commuted to work (6 miles each way) whatever the weather. Hills are no problem at all, they just keep you fit. Nobody should be put off by cycling in bad weather, except for very high winds.

On my 10 mile rides I usually climb about 750 feet, it's hilly enough here in South Derbyshire.

 

Too much tax is generated from petrol. If that was to go then the price of electricity would jump to compensate.

 

What I don't get is the practicality of this plan. The ranges of these vehicles is fine for commuting or city life assuming there's enough charging points. But imagine going to Cornwall and the queue for a charging spots just south of Birmingham, or how many charges needed to go to the south of France. The battery/charging capability is nowhere near advanced enough at the moment for long distance travel. Once again its urban politicians making policy to impose impractical transport solutions to the people who have no alternative but to drive. The target is good but I really don't understand the failure to recognise the part hybrid cars can play to bridge the gap, until the range is much greater and charging infrastructure is in place.

 

Diesel will still be available for the heavy vehicles for a long time to come unless there’s a huge breakthrough in technology.

 

The Holy Grail of Chemistry. They've been talking about them for 150 years.

 

You want to try living not too far from nuclear submarines.

 

Yep, prices would only increase due to a shortage in supply, not demand. Lack of demand always forces prices down.

 

True,the Fuel Cell being the breakthrough of which you speak.

 

This is my concern too. Not everyone has a driveway where they can plug their car in overnight. Are we to expect streets littered with charge points? Virgin media digging up the roads every 2 mins is bad enough.

 

Don’t we have flux capacitors?

 

In my head. I’m not claiming to be an expert btw. Just a joe public opinion.

Less available outlets. With still the same overheads. All the oil producers will be supplying the energy industry to create electricity. fossil fuels are less in demand as we speak so they will go where it’s needed most. Underdeveloped countries will be the only ones taking up that demand. I think that day is a lot closer than we think. The oil reserves will last far longer than expected. Due to Nuclear/Solar/Wind/Water power etc. Lack of demand for fossil fuel may drive the price of production down to a point it’s not worth continuing. Or costs will rise to those that need it due to lack of demand.
How many are going to be buying cars run on diesel/petrol. Over those last few years afore production stops. Knowing the sell on value will be minimal at best.

 

What gets me more than anything is it's just the government once again dictating what we can and can't do. If they don't like something, they ban it.

What next? Ban cows farting? Ban fast food? I cant wait for the state issue bicycle.

Why not invest in making internal combustion cleaner and more sustainable?
And while you're at it, PLANT SOME MORE BLOODY TREES FFS.

Easier to ban and tax though.

And it'll hit the working class the hardest. I'll never be able to afford to buy an electric car brand new. Second hand ones will be knackered as batteries decay rapidly and are thousands to replace. Not to mention cost of charging or adapting your home to be able to charge.

It could be a ploy to make everyone use public transport. I cant wait to be crammed into a state bus every morning, like a proper good socialist worker Johnny, doing my bit for the glory of the state.

Hate this government. They're against everything they're supposed to believe in.

 

I read a very interesting article the other day about this. I'll try to find a link. basically it was saying that HMRC would have to move the tax from fuel and put it onto road usage ie based on the distance you drive.

 

Of course not, we'll be encouraged to eat less beef.