Anyone watch Despaches on CH4 last night

There's more than one way to skin a cat.

 

Yes, but you still end up with a dead cat. (That's what my Mum always says anyway!)

 

I don’t doubt that, but the transparency bit is brought into question again

 

100K, pfff

that's nowt

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54974373

 

Power corrupts I'm afraid. Scandals like the ones uncovered in last nights programme
are unfortunately not isolated, plus let's not overlook the fact that smaller scale financial
and material inducements can be and have been enjoyed by local elected representatives
down the years re- Donnygate being a classical case in point.

 

And yet nothing from the people in Parliament who should be scrutinising it.

 

Has anyone got a link to this program, I can't find it. Very frustrating that I can't join the debate and start a slanging match with anybody.

 

But there is, I forget her name at the moment but she’s at least 1 Labour MP that is constantly bringing this up.

 

Isn’t it on Catch- up TV or summert like that?

 

All one of em. Doing or saying nothing makes them all complicit.

And to refer to a previous response. Yes it is highly doubtful that this is unprecedented, It would be a very blinkered view IMO to think that only this government have conducted these shady deals.

 

Again, it’s the scale and the audacity of it that makes it unprecented

 

The complicit lot are those in power, those whose MPs who voted overwhelmingly to not support the bill for free school meals, you know those adorable lot

 

School meals issue different, that's more to do with party policy not dishonesty. Just crap uncaring policy.
If MP's know of all these scandals of contracts etc and they are sitting MP's, they are all complicit by saying nothing to challenge or doing nothing.

 

Seems to me Tory party policy is all about dishonesty, subterfuge as well as being uncaring, they may be separate issues but they all linked in that it’s the same horrible party. Boris Johnson is still sitting on a report of alleged bullying by Pritti Patel. Not the first report in recent years that this party has ‘sat upon’ If MPs are trying to question and get answers about this Cronyism and they are being avoided etc, how are they being complicit? Again, another, ‘It’s not just the Tories’ standpoint.

 

No its not though. I'm not defending the underhand dealings in any way, but there are not widespread call outs in the commons from opposing MP's or others within his own party who may disagree. So yes they are all complicit.

 

There’s not really much opportunity within the HoC but I have seen both Angela Rayner and Dr Rosena call out ministers for it.

And it’s highly improbable that backbencher of any party would ever call out their own ministers for fraud. Whether they should is another question, but the way our parliament works, parliamentary scrutiny isn’t a cornerstone of our democracy. If we are going to look at reorganising our democracy, then just removing FPTP is only a beginning.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54978460

 

You might not be outright defending the Government from criticism but you're doing your damnedest to deflect it

 

But deflect, but deflect...always the same

Utter rubbish, said in each post anybody doing wrong needs to be pulled up. It is just the the same old but deflect nonsense when it is suggested other governments would also have been doing similar dodgy deals. Look at dodgy dossier campbell for one... You are missing the point that if these underhand deals are so obvious, the whole commons should be in uproar about it. Only 2 or 3 MP's are hence the rest of them are complicit. Get the corrupt acts called out fully. I'm struggling to see deflection here, just blinkered views from people who think only Tories can do wrong.

I'm a Labour voter, think those pledges Starmer made are great and worth getting behind, I wish he would push those issues more. What I am able to do though is look at the bigger picture and expect an opposition not to be complicit in watching these contracts being done. Firstly if they are illegal then straight to the police, if they are just bending the rules, those rules need to be reviewed to stop the same happening.

 

Any MP who discovers fraud and doesn't report it, becomes equally as dishonourable. Regardless of if the people doing it are in their own party. FPTP means nothing if whoever you put in power accepts fraud as acceptable behaviour and effectively covers it up by not calling it out.