Might stir up a sh*tstorm with this one but here goes....

I thought the Tory slogan was 'leveling up' not leveling down.

 

It’s not really a pay rise is it? It’s a rise that’s under inflation. I joined the public sector just at the start of a 5 year pay freeze and a few years after that ended and getting 1% for the first year out of it, there’s going to be another freeze again. If you are in the private sector, argue for your own pay rise, don’t limit mine. Not giving me one doesn’t save you any money, it just means the Tory’s mates’ contract gets an extra zero on the end whilst my wage goes down yet again in real terms. In the private sector you can angle for your own pay rise, in the public the rates are capped. It’s literally impossible for me to get a pay rise whereas my husband gets a small one every year in his appraisal in the private sector.

 

Excellent idea and good post. They (MPs) are after all public sector workers in reality so either freeze their pay or match the rest of the public sector rises aligned to theirs. Only fair! Except year on year percentage increases widens the gap between lowest and highest paid especially when the increase exceeds the Rate of inflation.

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Yabu.

 

Ive had them myself.

I've seen many if my coworkers get good rises too

I've seen my mates in construction also get hefty rises last couple of year or so
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It does happen

 

Of course, they’ve even lulled me into that trap of calling it a pay rise

 

Great 3 points last saturday

 

In the private sector you can angle for your own pay rise, in the public the rates are capped. It’s literally impossible for me to get a pay rise whereas my husband gets a small one every year in his appraisal in the private sector.[/

you really think it’s like that in the private sector JD, because it’s not.
In my experience rises are pretty impossible to come by, if anything firms are struggling to keep staff on.That and private sector workers in general don’t have the sae employment benefits either.

 

Do you know something, I hope everyone can have a pay rise that doesn’t really mean they’ve had a pay- cut in real terms. It is the Govt that starts this Public sector v Private Sector nonsense. All I’ve ever said is that Private sector jobs with responsibilities and important decision making roles seem to get better paid for that than Public Sector roles. I’m not decrying that I just want my pay to reflect that. Notice that the BBC and ITV news lot go running to a small independent business person for an interview every time Public Sector pay’s on the agenda, again

 

I appreciate not everyone is getting them. And I know too well of companies that do anything but reward their workers.

I'm just saying, that it can happen. And the public and private sector argument that rears its head on here quite often, is an unnecessary point to which people should start slinging things at each other.

 

Yes. The crisis will be over by Easter, apart from picking up the tab.

Btw, what was your stance, a few years ago, when public sector workers went 4 years without a pay rise? Was that fair or unfair?

And what's your stance on the changes the govt introduced regarding the percentage of union members required to vote for strike action, before such action can legally be carried out? Fair or unfair?

 

Of course. I know that some private sector employees are paid way more than public.

We have loads in the country that is paid more than the PM.

Not that I'm advocating he get millions like some CEOs but easiest one to highlight

 

Divide and conquer! If you can get workers in the private sector supporting low wages In the public sector then you can depress wages for everybody. Just because nurses and police and ambulance personnel get a decent living wage it doesn’t mean that the private sector are worse off. If anything it gives the private sector more bargaining power because they can leave and join the public sector. Theresa May had no magic money tree. Rishi Sunak found one for Tory cronies to supply ineffective PPE. Now he wants those we were clapping for to pay for it.

 

Are you and 18th century tw@t Rees smugg related at all?????

Someone else who just sits there and does **** all, except and people up?????

 

Yep One trick in private sector was that the pay rises were linked to performance in the form of bounses linked to appraisals part individual and part company. The former being within your control but the latter at the mercy of policy decisions by CEO and Executive board. The % of the bonus in relation to overall pay was significant. Anything from£5k to £8k at our level. I recall when we had as a team put in long hours working months away from home weekends etc and successfully delivered a multi million pound project The company announced zero bonuses due to overall company performance. This meant based on previous years we effectively had a pay cut of thousands. This loss of bonuses continued for 2 -3 years. The argument that private sector workers have more flexibility in negotiations cuts both ways. That said even teachers lost the national pay scale agreements and their pay rises are Performance related.

also if as, some on here say veryone should get pay rises all that does is increases labour, raw material, manufacturing costs and pushes up inflation largely negating the benefit of the pay rise for most people . It also reduces the competitiveness of the UK businesses. Ther may well be some Private scetor businesse that have done very well out of Covis (there is always someone who benefits from changes good and bad in a situation, but overall I believe it is likely that private sector has taken a bigger hit than the Public Sector workers.

As for some of the nonsensical personal attacks on me... e.g. the post above this one "I am related to Rees Mogg... the rest wasn't actually in English. I am not surprised. - standard form for many on here when people have different view to them. .

 

But you went on about capitalism, Govt, taking pay rises etc. Nowhere did you actually comment or 'respond' to the actual OP question.question should Public sector unions be striking for a pay rise in the current economic climate. In fact far from it. You did exactly what I asked people not to .. commenting on the state of capitalism, Govt pay rises ( that IMO IS an issue of mishandlng of the situation)

 

A, They are not pay rises, does below inflation pay push up inflation?
B, Emphasises why why Unions are so important - collective bargaining for example
C, Has the Private Sector really taken a bigger hit ( pay or otherwise) than the Public Sector?