The New Tougher Tier System

Just like nobody on here has advocated for the closing of essential NHS services, or locking down and leaving people without support, or half of the **** the government have done, yet anyone that wanted to protect lives have been blamed (by yourself, extremely vociferously at times) for any negative effects that has come from any government policy, so I'll carry on with the "Just let people die", thanks.

I was looking for my detailed post for your constructive criticism for my plan, but I can't find it. So here's a (probably shortened) version. Please point out where it is ****, but I think it's a damn sight better than what we ended up with.

3 week FULL lockdown. Warehouses, Factories etc. closed. hospitals open, supermarkets open but with strict guidelines about how many people are allowed in. UBI for all (and extra for kids etc) for 2 months. Just to ease any issues getting workplaces back open following the lockdown. After the 3 week lockdown, we open the borders, with business and haulage required to have an app on their phone to track their movement. Anybody they come into contact with must get a test. If the 30 minute tests work, they must also take a test on the border that is negative before being allowed in. Anybody visiting for pleasure are provided with accommodation until they test negative. Following the 3 week lockdown there should be low enough infections to have only minimal restrictions needed at that point, but I'd require spot tests and also tests for any symptoms.

 

This may help....there are many many more...

 

To be honest we've been in Lock down that long me and my family have adapted and got used to it. Wearing a mask, social distancing and hand washing/ sanitizing have become the norm.

I don't like it just get on with it.

 

seems to be the only ones breaking the lockdown are the ones moaning about the lockdown therefore making the lockdown last longer for us all. Thatchers Britain.

 

mate you can always find one nutter in any profession.

 

I understand that. Some things from the rules I would be happy to continue. For example during flu season shops could still have hand sanitiser at entrance. During flu season (not mandatory just through choice) it wouldn't be a bad thing to pop a mask on when in a busy indoor space like a retail shop or supermarket. I can't speak for others and distancing will have helped as well but for the time of the year I haven't felt so good in years and wearing a mask probably plays a part in that. I haven't felt under the weather. Everyone hiding any sniffles and sneezes under a cloth will have helped.

 

Breaking the rules this time seems to stopped my wife having another trip to hospital with mental health issues and stopped the kids from suffering like they did last time so I'm at peace with it. After the devastation last time caused to the mental wellbeing of my family I made the call that we would put ourselves first. Selfish? Probably, but I'm biologically programmed to my families needs first.

 

The Chinese and other Asian countries have done this for decades out of respect for others when they are ill with colds etc.

 

again fair enough but then if everyone makes similar decisions it shouldn’t be a surprise if infection rates increase and lockdowns are extended. There are no easy answers

 

You can...i never stated it was my opinion. However there are ...wait for it.....45,000 scientists and doctors who have signed up to this ideology!
Not one or two..or a couple of hundred. This versus our governments (and a few others) narrative on how to deal. Im not a pathologist an immunology expert or anything to do with viral and respiratory diseases, however i figure they must have a point.
The government have taken us into a lockdown on the back of research that was way way out of kilter. ...(4000 deaths per day!!) ...oh they have been avoided due to lockdown!
The data they used (which they still have not verified a source from) was used to do this.
Despite been challanged by many viral specialists (professor hennigan for one).there are many more. The govt have refused to tell us where the calculations and modelling came from!
The PCR testing has produced too many false positives and was never designed for mass testing.
If this is a pandemic (and i know its a horrible thing) why aren't the hospitals at bursting point and why havent the nightingale hospitals been opened up to cope with the extra numbers?
Very expensive decisions have been made....im not sure about this whole thing anymore.

 

their is a tiny sliver of scientists from the David Icke school of science who produce a counter narrative. They are usually grifters like Sikora Nad Hennigan who Unfortunately try and con the gullible for money.

The projections are just that projections on doing nothing. We have taken streps to avoid the worst case scenario. It’s pretty straightforward

At the trust my partner works for the overflow ICU has 2 free beds but no available staff. The Nightingales cannot and will not be used as there is no one to work in them. The ‘normal’ hospitals are down 45k nursing staff. The resource was never there they were just more backhanders from Bozo to his mates.

for some of the wider points read this thread by Martin Rossitor in response to Ian Browns idiocy

 

It's a good idea. No need even in the November-February four month period wearing one just for the sake of it, but if you feel under the weather just pop one one when you go shopping and we'd all be better off if everyone thought the same.

 

Wouldn`t know if I am following the rules or not cant keep up with all the changes. Confused you bet.

Waited ages for a vaccine and now bus like 3 come at once. Kerching.

Would think twice if this Government told mi to finish mi tea.

 

You’ll forgive me if I prioritise the opinion of Professor Carl Heneghan (who I assume you mean by ‘Hennigan’ (sic)) - director of the University of Oxford's Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine - over a bloke that daft he doesn’t know the difference between ‘there’ and ‘their’.

 

Professor Carl Heneghan, who has been willfully misrepresenting medical research from Denmark about the effectiveness of masks in the Spectator magazine? (Only last week) The research (based on a 6000 person sample) found a 7% reduction in infections among the mask-wearers over those that didn't, while his article had the headline "Landmark Danish Study shows masks have no significant effect".

If he is writing in the Spectator, along with the likes of Toby Young and others, there has to be a question mark about his reasons.

 

It was actually a study of 4,800 people. The answer was a nearly identical proportion -- 42 of 2,393 people (1.8%) in the mask group and 53 of 2,470 (2.1%) in the no-mask group. The difference was not statistically significant.

Absolutely justified and factually correct to say the masks have no significant effect.

What I find bizarre is how lockdown supporters rush to try and discredit science if it’s not the science of SAGE, a group of people almost to a man with huge vested financial interests in the success of big pharma.

I suggest you take the time to actually read and digest the source material, rather than being so quick to just throw it in the bin. Science moves on and develops by people questioning the prevailing narrative. That's especially valuable when the current prevailing narrative is killing people.

 

so any scientist who wishes to challange the government narritive, is a barking mad conspiracy theorist...wow!
Heres the view of a top statistician....

 

Looks to me like the tiers have pretty much been made less tough all round except when it comes to hospitality, which has been kicked into touch completely. I'm hoping for some sector-specific support, but won't be holding my breath.

 

Can anyone think of any examples from history of regimes where those who did not follow the Government narrative were marginalised, ostracised and/or censored? I can't, can anyone else?