NHS isn’t on the table for trade deals said Boris...

There are not that many rebels as far as I am aware.... they get publicity along with the huge fines. A Restaurant in our region opened after 6 pm in protest one day recently. He was fined 400 euros , plus 400 Euros per customer (one sat at bar two stat at table) 1600 euros total and ordered to close for 5 days (no lunchtimes and no takeaway service)

He got little sympathy partly because the vast majority of people, in our region at least, are making sacrifices and complying with the regulations. Also they see his action as unfair to all the businesses that are abiding by the rules and suffering as a consequence. Yes there have been protest groups but generally (aided by swift and decisive retribution... instant fines... decrees rather than not advice and recommendations') people have been compliant.
'Movida' social gathering sin towns and cities people meeting up outside bars etc in town centres after work have pretty much stopped.Earlier ones rapidly broken up by the Carbinieri and there is a 10pm-5am curfew nationally. Again apart from the odd car where people are going to /returning from work there is little or no traffic (at here at least). Poeple are obivously fed up since , even more that UK , socialising and mixing particularly outdoors at bars and restaurants , is a big part of Italian culture so it has hit home very hard.

In summary, yes, people are well pi**ed of, but the groundswell of opinion is still largely supportive of the actions taken by the Italian Govt.

 

Ah, so you don't have me on ignore.

 

Put a hyena in a field with a zebra and what will happen? Some suspect the hyena will attack the zebra. That’s because the hyena has got form and it’s in his nature to do exactly that. But we can’t be 100% sure.

The government is led by a narcissist and liar who was placed there by billionaires looking out for their own interests. What happens when this government eyes up a juicy profit-making opportunity like the NHS? We can’t be 100% sure. But what is in their nature?

 

The dismantling of the NHS has been happening for a long time now. I saw a list a few years back of all the things that have been outsourced to private companies and was shocked how lengthy it was.

One of the examples I do recall was the selling off of the state owned UK blood supply to Bain Capital, a US private equity firm that was founded by Mitt Romney.

 

Why would I? we are are opposite end of the political spectrum (And no I am not a supporter of the UK Govt) and I vehemently disagree with your stance on unregulated, mass migration (only because I consider it impractical and unviable rather than undesirable). Nevertheless, I don't recall you resorting to abuse and insults when responding to my posts or deflecting the subject by making personal comments about me.

 

No one in the right frame of mind would buy Our NHS. Its a massively bloated cost heavy organisation that offers in real terms no return on investment. You get a better return burning £1m of cash in your back garden every night for a year.

What they will be after is access to tendering to supply the NHS be it drugs, equipment, technology or indeed data. They just want to get their noses in the trough and get fat from the public purse like a lot of companies already do.

 

The NHS Track & Trace App. Its all NHS I am afraid.

 

In fairness, whilst PFI was introduced by John Majors Govt into the NHS it was under the subsequent Labour Govt that PFI was significantly advanced and to the detriment of the NHS due to badly negotiated terms. The NHS are bearing the costs and will be for years to come.

I am not trying to make any political points other than to highlight that a) 'Privatisation' for want of a better word has been around in the NHS for over 20 years and was embraced by parties of all political persuasions (the Bain contract -incidentally now owned by a Chinese consortium was during the Con/Lib Dem Coalition era so the Lib Dems were also complicit in that sale)
Private initiatives are not fundamentally flawed. It is just Govt seem incapable of getting good deals and always seem to be outflanked and 'outplayed' by private businesses always to the detriment of the taxpayer. Add incompetence to croneyism and downright corruption and you have a poisonous cocktail.

 

I worked in a part of the NHS that was outsourced. It was a market leader in what it did.
In order to save cash short term on required expansion investment it was sold off and is now being bled dry to siphon money to profits and dividends and operating less effectively.

 

I thought you may have because of the cheese renaming thread. After my post you posted something about no-one referring to a specific point you had made that I had referred to. I then replied to that post saying 'I did' and proposing that you may have had me on ignore and got no reply to that. I just presumed I was after that.

 

No it isn't, thats factually incorrect.

 

You obviously don't understand privatisation then.

 

Ah my apologies, I didn't realise Serco, Sitel, Deloitte, G4S and Astra Zeneca were state owned.

 

China will own pretty much everything at some point. The west have gotten too attached to disposal as the way to make a quick killing.

And my point wasn't political, as I said, the NHS has been slowly dismantled for years. What I'm more worried about is suppression and obfuscation under this current government that make it pretty difficult to source direct information of what is actually happening.

 

Go on then who is responsible for the App?

Serco? Sitel? Deloitte?

 

Everything about the track and trace system is run by private companies, from the app, to people on the phones. None of it is NHS, its just been tagged as the NHS.

The NHS even complained that they were finding it difficult to add data from patients that were tested in hospitals. Its definitely not all NHS at all.

 

There are parts of the NHS that have already been sold of or run by private firm's.
Johnson the lier said under no circumstances is the NHS up for sale on the 27/11/2019 he attacked labour for announcing this.
0n the 19/1/2021 a vote on the Trade deal amendment was taken, to allow parliament to debate future trade deals and lost 357 to 266 meaning the Torys can do whatever they like now in sealing deals be it involving the NHS or any other organisation without scrutiny from anyone. Johnson and his team are running this country as though it's only beneficial to the rich and throwing the working class under the proverbial bus.

 

Worked in the Nhs for the last 10 years. I would say 75% of all parts of Nhs that produce an income has already been privatised. Only the parts that need a constant flow of cash would be left with the good old taxpayer.
They call them 3rd party providers. Bring them in to "help out" make your staff look so uneconomic they cut back & keep giving more to your preferred provider. Job done.
It doesn,t matter if the job falls apart,they can,t be blamed for an outside company can they.

 

I found out the other day that Chartwells (The company who were part of the school meals issue a couple of weeks ago) who are part of a large group called Compass Group. The CEO of Compass is a well know Tory donor which has been well documented. Well Compass group, have a significant contract to manage the test centres in the UK.

Why is this strange?

Well compass group are a food company, who provide food to schools, prisons, hospitals and businesses around the globe. They have zero experience or resource to manage testing centres but have pulled in billions to provide testing.

If you want to get rich quick, become a Tory Donor, sell your mother, her house and your house and give it to the tory party. In 6 months you'll be a billionaire.