NHS isn’t on the table for trade deals said Boris...

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  1. Terry Nutkins

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    The next stage however is to follow an insurance based health care model. If the Tories stay in power for the next 20 years, the NHS won't even exist as it does now.
     
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    The very same Chartwells delivering the free school meals for kids at home to an alleged value of £30.
     
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    Thats the one.
     
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    US companies will 100% want to move towards insurance and we've voted the government in that will hand it to them on a plate.
     
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    Tory donor Lord Ashcroft’s outsourcing firm lands £350m vaccination contract | openDemocracy

    You can find the same story behind the Times paywall, or on the daily mail and I suspect in most other publications. But shows the government aren't going to slow down there crony contracts without competitive tendering, despite the legal action currently ongoing against them.

    I also wonder... £350m appears to be recurring on numerous contracts. I wondered yesterday if there was an upper limit which could be awarded without competitive tender. I then wondered today.... if the £350m is to mask another part of the search algorithm for the £350m a week nhs brexit claim.
     
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    I understand the NHS. The NHS is massive bloated inefficient monster whos appetite is never sated no matter how big the meal. All the ROI is in feeding it. Its a massive supplier gravy train.

    If people were not so precious about our NHS and stopped using it as a political tool it would allow reform and no doubt improve it from senior management downwards.

    However, there isnt enough grown ups in Parliament however to set up an effective cross party delegation to oversee it.
     
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    The App isnt run by private companies. Its all NHS/DHSC after initial construction by NHSx NHS digital and a couple of 3rd party developers.

    The people on the phones, carpark test centres etc are all outsourced.
     
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    Tekkytyke has a point in saying that people shouldn't make assumptions about what will happen without evidence. Nothing has happened on the trade deal yet so in this respect he is correct. However, as someone else has mentioned, it is the nature of the Government that makes people suspicious, it is the past record of Johnson lying that makes people nervous and it's the fact of them not agreeing to the tabled amendment to the trade deal that gets alarm bells ringing. These things in my view give every reason to be alarmed and suspicious. If we don't get alarmed then we just carry on merrily walking down the path of more privatisation until. as I've said before on this board, we wake up one morning and we have no NHS. It is a slow process of underfunding and undermining that the electorate tacitly support by voting these nasty people in. And since Labour was mentioned with the pfi contracts that also is a disgrace - but then again it was Tony Blair, a man just as capable of lying as our current glorious leader.
    Clap for carers now because in a few years time you wont have any (unless you can buy yourself some decent insurance).
     
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    To be fair, there are good insurance-based models (Germany), and bad ones (USA). Knowing the Tories we'd get an American version which rations healthcare to those that can afford it rather than one where everyone gets healthcare.

    The German model has statutory healthcare for those earning under a certain amount (62550Eur), with private insurance available for those with higher incomes (or as a job perk). Employees and employers both contribute the same towards healthcare. So like our National Insurance was meant to be before it was taken for other stuff.
     
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    Ah I see! If I did it was probably down to a senior moment like when I posted a reply lambasting the wrong person recently (for which I apologised) whilst juggling between two or more threads simultaneously
     
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    Accenture, the Alan Turing Institute, NHS Digital, NHSx, Oxford University, VMware Pivotal Lab and Zuhlke Engineering.

    Full list.
     
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    A bit like the rail franchises then. Private companies and shareholders make profits but unlike true free market Capitalist system businesses are protected from losses as the Govt ( taxpayers) picks up the tab when things go wrong and the franchisees simply walk away.
     
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    Who employs Dildo Harding the NHS?
     
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    The argument that Govts are not equipped or appointed to run businesses is valid. Where it goes wrong is HOW they contract out to private companies i.e. the tender processes (lack of transparency), the terms, too heavily weighted to the Private companies at the expense of the taxpayer, insufficient safeguards when thing go wrong and the tendency to sell off the profitable bits without making the companies take on some of the liabilities. PFI could have worked but ended up being a fires ale for short term gain at the expense of long term pain.

    I think too many on here are ideologically opposed to any private companies being involved in services like the NHS, the concept is sound but the implementation sucks. Italy Helath Service, whilst in dire financial straits like the rest of the economy, is nevertheless excellent from the perspective of the users. It is part privatised e.g. a capped contribution towards treatments for those that can afford it Private laboritories handle things like blood tests which, again, the costs for which are capped. It works pretty well and waiting times are low, GPs accesible (no appointment needed just turn up and wait) and although many of the buildings are a bit 70s and in need of TLC the staff are excellent, many surgical procedures are state of the art and so are equipment levels MRI scanners etc . Caveat (the extreme south is less fortunate due to involvement of the Mafia's infiltration into the Health system and corruption of officials siphoning off medicines and funds etc.
     
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    Have you looked into the British Gas situation. Looks like the Tories have stepped in. NOT. (Turning a blind eye is just as bad as changing laws) You quote people’s blinkered views. Sitting on the fence allows the two hatting Tories to sneak things in. Through the back door. Did you not read the vote in parliament. Everything can be spun to suit an agenda. But if evidence sneaks out. Nip it in the bud. Don’t wait for it to be allowed in through nonchalance.
     
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    Outsourcing to private companies in the main are a disaster. On many occasions re-insourcing back in house cos it isn’t cost effective. The ones to suffer. The workforce. Speaking from experience.
     
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    Don’t always trust politicians.
    Never trust a Tory one. ( Yes. NOT ONE)
     
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    Surely one of the many things that the Covid crisis has learned us is that the US system of healthcare is rubbish. Ours may have problems (mostly caused by the Tories), but it is the most valuable asset we have. That won't stop people like Rees-Bogg trying to sell it though. He pays for private health insurance and sees no reason why everyone else in the country should pay also.
     
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    Excellent article HF.
    Never trust the Tories to govern!
    My granny taught me that, she said she went to school with a blue ribbon in her hair and nowt in her stomach. 100+ years on and very little has altered in that respect!!!
     
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