Ollie Robinson

What has he said/what'shappened as to why he's taking a break??

 

Really glad I woke up early and spent some time reading this thread. It's reminded me of something I try to remind myself of but don't always manage - it's okay to disagree with people.

I've found myself skipping over a lot of your posts lately. Our views on lockdowns are poles apart and I've not wanted to engage with you because I saw it going down a rabbit hole and doing neither of us any favours wasting time never convincing each other.

But your posts on this, couldn't agree more with.

So essentially I'm saying you've reminded me that different people can have different views

 

No indication when he will play again....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/57432180

Probably pissed him off he has been made an example of from his tweets as a unknown teenager when this week around half a dozen who who tweeted stuff as a full international haven't had anything done to them.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/57432180

Probably pissed him off he has been made an example of from his tweets as a unknown teenager when this week around half a dozen who who tweeted stuff as a full international haven't had anything done to them.[/QUOTE]

Thank you. Might not be the worst idea to have a break, let things die down and come back ready to fully concentrate on cricket again.

 

Thank you. Might not be the worst idea to have a break, let things die down and come back ready to fully concentrate on cricket again.[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't have banned Robinson and I wouldn't have banned Parkinson, Anderson, Bess, Buttler, Morgan etc either. But if you're Robinson and see what you tweeted as a unknown teenager has been punished but others who tweeted things as full internationals or at the very least well known county players have had nothing done to them you will feel singled out and let down.

 

Agree with this. They had to do something given the content of the tweets, but any punishment should have been positive as opposed to punitive, e.g. donation of match fee, community work etc.

 

Lancashire called out by the local paper over a handful of players....

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co....estigating-players-abhorrent-historic-tweets/

 

I've not commented on this, but we need to show that people can be redeemed from previous bigotry.
That way those people can be influential in taking the fight to the existing bigots. Stand shoulder to shoulder with those fighting the same fight.

If you believe in social reform, then you've got to be willing to accept folk can be reformed and change their minds.

 

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I don't think anyone thinks they can't.

 

Bess will have left because he wasn’t picked I assume

 

What a sad state of affairs this whole episode has turned into.

The issue is that there is no clear line between what is considered acceptable and what is considered unacceptable when it comes to comments about sex, race etc. For example, make a sweeping generalisation about men being lazy around the household and no one will bat an eyelid, but strictly speaking it’s still sexist.

It also matters whether the comments are directed specifically at someone or are said in more general terms. As does whether they are said to cause hurt/offence or are said as a joke. What was accepted 10 years ago is often not accepted today. It makes policing this incredibly difficult.

Personally I think his ‘sexist’ comments were very mild at the time. Saying some girls need to ‘learn the art of class’ is the sort of generalisation that is frequently said today, from men about women and women about men. They garner thousands of ‘likes’ on Twitter and are generally posted by those in their teens and early twenties. Was his comment really so offensive that he should be labelled sexist 10 years down the line? This was a time when ‘women and kitchen’ jokes were rife and often unchallenged, which in my mind are far worse. That doesn’t make his comment of these sorts of jokes ok, it’s just how things were then and little action was taken at the time.

The joke about his Muslim friend being ‘the bomb’ was distasteful. But it was a joke and wouldn’t have been meant to have caused offence. He probably saw it written somewhere and copied it because it made him snigger. Can that be used as evidence that he’s a racist today, or was is just a distasteful joke said by an immature young man who wouldn’t dream of saying that today?

Judge people of the words and actions of today, not 10 years ago. People making comparisons to other crimes, such as a historic murder, are way off the mark. Social attitudes are constantly evolving, whereas murder has clearly always been seriously wrong.