Meanwhile...... at the High Court....

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    At the end of the day the referendum wasn't legally binding so why does our unelected PM not call a GE and get a mandate?
     
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    Didn't really start this one to rehash all the arguments, EN. But two things:

    1. The government promising to do something it hasn't got the power to do without reference to parliament does not magically give it that power.
    2. It's become obvious to everyone that the public wasn't wasn't asked to decide everything that needs to be decided in order to take this forward.

    It may be that parliament, if asked will activate A50. But it has to be asked! (Obviously, depending on whether the High Court agrees!)
     
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    Leading us to civil war..
     
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    1. Open to (legal and/or Parliamentary) interpretation.

    2. Maybe not, but it wasn't 'asked' everything before the relationship changed from a trading one to a political/federal one either. And Parliament itself passed the referendum bill.
     
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    1. ...actually, the High Court's now, and the Supreme Court before the year's out.

    2. The referendum act didn't include the power to implement the decision by revoking a previous act of parliament. [Bad drfting on Cmeron's behalf]. 'Parliament can not bind itself' is a well-established adjunct of the principle of parlimentry sovereignty.
     
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    Civil War? I really doubt the country is in the mood for that.
     
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    Before we head down that route, better check which side the armed forces are on. I'd rather be stood behind the tanks than in front of them! :)
     
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    This was always on the cards, whichever way you swung. Remainers were more aware of it than leavers. As earth-shatteringly surprising as that might sound.. :)
     
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    I disagree there Paul , Remainers never thought they'd lose , that why Cameron clearly promised ,in his position as Prime Minister that the result was binding .
     
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    That was Cameron's position in 2010 , does that make it law ? ( I don't know the answer )
    The Government's position as stated not only to the Lords but to everyone in the country in 2015 and again in 2016 was that it was binding .
     
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    No - it doesn't. That's why the current High Court case is necessary.
     
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    Very extreme yes, but you will be surprised what impact parliament ignoring democracy will do to this country if they fail to invoke article 50... These remainers trying to stand in the way of democracy are damaging this countries political foundings beyond any event since the days of Cromwell..
     
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    PMSL... I call it democracy pal not running scared...
     
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    I don't agree with all of it but it makes some valid points about the attempts to close down democratic debate about how Brexit should be handled
     
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    I don't take any notice of the newspapers because of their bias either way leave or remain. Guardian is so pro-remain it's unbelievable so they will never provide a balanced view. It's like the Daily Mail having a front page headline embracing immigration lol..
     
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    There should be debate, but being called racist for being anti EU was another way to shut down debate on the issue of EU membership in the first place.

    The problem is we're not grown up yet...
     

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