Fifa Not Allowing Poppies On International Shirts

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  1. dreamboy3000

    dreamboy3000 Well-Known Member

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    They don't allow any religious symbols or symbols of any kind on display so the UK teams are trying to get them to allow them to put it on for Armistice day, there is no mention they have blocked Poppies particularly
     
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    We have had this issue before - a compromise was reached - hopefully the same can be done this time

    I can see where FIFA are coming from on this, and its always tricky to grant exceptions but this is a genuine exception though there are people who will be unhappy as they do see it as political - those with extreme pacifist views for example

    The teams cant just ignore FIFA though - the punishment can include a points deduction
     
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    The FA should ignore FIFA over this; the poppy only becomes political or religious in the minds of a few people - to everybody else it is a symbol of remembrance for all those, not just British, who have served and paid the ultimate sacrifice.

    People can choose not to wear one, people died to give them the right to have a choice but nobody should be able to stop anybody from wearing one.
     
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    In our case that would make no difference. :eek:
     
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    And players that do so get castigated in the media.

    Whilst I am all for wearing poppies, FIFA have a ruling that states no symbols and to allow one is to create a precedent - as pointed out on Radio 4 this morning, it's also the symbol of a charity - what about other charities?
     
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    Why?

    What's wrong with puppies? They'll be banning kittens next...

    I'll get me coat.
     
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    In the case of Mclean (arguably the most high profile case) then I would support his right not to wear one despite finding his reasons (excuses) for not wearing one completely wrong.

    I can understand FIFA wanting to protect themselves from setting a precedent however although there is an element of charity associated with Armistice day there are many other aspects that set it aside as completely different. I fail to see how allowing a poppy sets any precedent.
     
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    I was thinking that. What is political or religious about remembering dead people?
     
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    Absolutely nothing. A very few people have attached political or religious connotations to it but the vast majority of people see it exactly for what it is - a way of remembering and paying their respects to those who have died fighting for our way of life.

    I heard one such person on LBC this morning and he actually came across as being a bigot. All he wanted to do was slag off the armed forces during the troubles in Ulster. Even when challenged by Simon Weston who pointed out that there was wrongdoing on the Republican side of the troubles as well he chose to completely ignore everything that was being said.

    Edit: He was a bigot.
     
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    Poppy fascists are out in force.
     
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    Is that aimed at me?
     
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    Watch the Cenotaph Service to realise how political it all is. Why on earth should politicians and royalty be centre stage? Not one of them would bat an eyelid at the thought of sending men to their deaths.
     
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    I don't watch the cenotaph service because I don't like the fake orchestratedness of it all.

    But does the fact that politicians or members of the family take part in a service mean that me wearing a poppy is some kind of political statement? Of course it doesn't, if I wear one it is to respect people who have died.

    Incidentally I don't tend to wear one because I don't feel the need to show others what I am feeling or thinking
     
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    Prince Harry? He would be shoulder to shoulder with his men.
     
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    Aimed at anyone pushing the idea that not wearing a poppy either on an individual basis or at any large social event is somehow *insert something here*.
     
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    I wore a white poppy last year, and was very surprised at how many "show some respect" comments I got from people
     
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    OK fair enough, I only asked because you replied to me. As you'll see in my posts i respect the right of people to not wear a poppy - I just don't always respect the reason.
     
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    I've always worn one because my grandad who'd been in the ww2 did. The respect comments used to amuse him greatly when he was around. I respect people's rights to wear the poppy it seems a shame that if you don't or remember in a different way you are 'wrong' and not allowed to have a different view.
     
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    I personally don't like white poppies and I wouldn't wear one but I don't think they are disrespectful.
     

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