So a victory parade for Trump hmmm

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  1. Dragon Tyke

    Dragon Tyke Well-Known Member

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  2. Tek

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    Don't get me wrong I find the KKK abhorrent but freedom of speech in the USA is enshrined in the 1st amendment including....

    "criticism and advocacy of unpopular ideas that people may find distasteful or against public policy are almost always permitted. There are exceptions to these general protections, including the Miller Test for obscenity, child pornography laws, speech that incites imminent lawless action."
    "Freedom of Assembly

    Citizens can come together in public and private gatherings. They can join groups for political,
    religious, social or recreational purposes.... "


    Freedom of speech is being eroded particularly in the UK due to way too much emphasis on PC and people 'in attics with a PC, laptop or smartphone' taking offence, far too often where clearly none is intended and in many cases where it is none of their business.

    Unless the targetted person or persons is/are distressed by comments clearly intended to offend or threaten, 3rd parties should keep their noses out.
     
  3. Gloria Stitts

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    [video=youtube;p4wo9nqWrwE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4wo9nqWrwE[/video]
     
  4. Marc

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    so are you saying unless you're a direct target of the KKK, you shouldn't be offended or be involved in protest against them? just wanting to clarify.
     
  5. Tek

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    In a way I suppose I am. However, it is not as black and white as you are assuming.

    Everyone finds something offensive but as I say/said unless their actions are endangering, threatening physical violence or harm then what are you actually protesting about? Their right to exist? So in others words depriving people of free speech and/or the right to hold meetings or marches should only be allowed if they agree with your point of view. Supposing I found protests against certain Left Wing Socialist Worker political rallies upsetting and offensive, what right do I have to attempt to have those marches banned? Why should I? It woudl be my problem not theirs.

    Extreme Left Wing Socialist views are no different form Extreme Right wing views. For every Hitler there is a Stalin. Bullying tactics (of which constantly accusing people of being racist, mysoginist etc. in an attempt to shut people up who have a different view is one) is apparent on both sides of the divide.

    As I said, I find the existence of the KKK distasteful but that is no reason to ban them. The only purpose and I can see of any protest march would be either confrontational leading to the very violence you want to avoid or an attempt to get the authorities to ban them thus denying the Freedom of speech which is part of democracy.
     
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    blimey. so under the banner of freedom of speech then, how do you feel about anjem choudary and abu hamza preaching in the UK? do you also think the global muslim community should stay silent about jihadist atrocities, as ISIL aren't targeting muslims? i just can't get my head round that. i also can't get my head round any level of justification for what the KKK do.
     
  7. Tek

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    There IS not justification for what the KKK do or represent. You are missing my point. Unless they break the law then they have a right to exist regardless of how you, I, or anyone else feels about them.

    The fate of both Anjem Choudry or Abu Hamza was determined by legal process that determined they incited violence, encouraged Jihad (murder in the name of religion and racial hatred and in the case of Choudry evidence of an oath of alleigance to a terrorist jihadist group (IS) i.e. they broke the Law.

    Whilst the racist mentality and motives of the KKK is not far removed from that there is enough of a difference i.e. the KKK have not as a group incited members to carry out killing in the name of religion/racism in spite of promoting white supremacist views. In other words they have broken no laws, however the majority of reasonable people think about them and until they do they have the right of free speech. That does not mean that their attitudes are justifiable. Fortunately their numbers are in decline and their power in the South is waning.
     
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    Did you just say that the KKK haven't incited members to kill?
     
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    The kkk are on record having murdered over 3900 people plus an incalculable amount of further suspicious deaths relating to police involvement and coverups. People on here might think I'm a left wing knob but while you people are literally defending the ****ing kkk you can think what you like. You need some friends tekkytyke you're typing essays online defending the kkk, take a look at yourself. IMG_1790.JPG IMG_1790.JPG
     
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    Didnt trump jnr suggest an option for the grand wizard would be a bullet...
     
  11. Tek

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    I really try to avoid abuse but seeing as you dole that out looking back over many of your posts I cannot resist.

    You are the typical bleeding heart socialist who takes the moral high grounds but does f*ck all about doing anything. Furthermore I am NOT defending the KKK I have said more than once on this thread I find them abhorrent. I am defending the right to free speech.

    Furthermore if the KKK have murdered so many (you do not say how recent this was) then then perpetrators will have been imprisoned or not through lack of evidence and no amount of hand wringing on your or my part will make any difference.

    I notice during the troubles, the Provisional IRA and loyalists carried out murders and bombings in the name of religion yet your glorious leader Corbyn invited them to talks. "people on here light think I am a left wing knob " I wouldn't go that far but you clearly cannot read any alternative opinions without misintepreting what you are reading and adding bias to fit your own personal view.

    To reiterate WHERE have I defended the KKK!! ??

    Knob indeed!!
     
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    Thatcher also invited the IRA to talks only in secret so she could play to the crowds ,
    Your Corbyn Bashing never seems to hold and that's what let's you down as a credible critic.
     
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    Trump's daughter married a Jew and converted to Judaism, she's his favourite child and has given him half-Jewish grandchildren, somehow I doubt he supports the KKK.
     
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    His dad was a kid member though wasn't he
     
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    I take it English is not your strong point, either that or you chose not to read the post properly.

    Again, show me where I have defended the KKK in any of these posts? The whole thread is about freedom of speech and the Left Wingers like you and Dus Tha No111 Supertyke and one or two others who lack the ability to form a coherent argument and resort to the tactic of closing down debate by resorting to insults, cherry picking lines out of context from posts and the usual racist, sexist accusations.
    There is an interesting thread on the BB ...'.Bottom line on Trump'..where Jonathon Pie describes perfectly the problem with you and your ilk. It also explains why the polls have all been wrong. Most people are afraid or cowed into submission by the rabid left. I am not and never have been afraid to express my views which is why you and your cronies find me tiresome and annoying.
    Oh! and from now on, I no longer have any qualms about resorting to belittling you and your cohorts as I might as well lower myself to your level as you are incapable of debating for even the shortest period of time without resorting to playing the racist card.
     
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    Nice one Tekkers Belltoppers the lot of em
     
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    debate and discussion is the only way to sort things out,whether that be from the left or right of politics.

    as for tekkytyke defending KKK,i must be unable to read because i cant see where he's defended them,he's simply pointing out that freedom of speech is there for most of us.

    marc says that isis arnt targetting muslims,sorry if i've missunderstood your point,but they are targetting plenty of muslims,basically all those that dont tow their line.
     

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