‘A club is for life, and Barnsley Football Club is that club in mine’ – WSB meets John Dennis

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  1. Acido Tyke

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    And I dont think I actually said/posted that he takes credit for it, did I ?
    Im talking about our own opinions as fans towards him, and I think those negatives that happened after the positives.... well the former far outweihed the latter.
     
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    Does Danny Wilson's second period in charge also spoil the promotion season for you?
     
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    Not really no, why do you ask ?
    I think Danny let us down in the second time, and I think Dennis let us down by appointing Steve Parkin when he did when he must have known the majority of fans didnt want him.
     
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    I just can't understand why you would let the dark days affect your memories of the halcyon days.
     
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    Our promotion to the Premier League was founded upon the system, the players and the organisation of the team. It relied upon a lucky co-incidence of things coming together at the same time. There was the sound investment in players that had been done over several seasons. There was the happy coincidence that those players matured at the right time, and that their maturity coincided with the emergence of home grown talent that matched those players for quality. Finany, there was the investment both before the season began, and during that season which was perfectly time to give our promotion impetus the lick that it needed. Danny Wilson has taken most of the praise, but John Dennis managed to find the money that was needed at the right time to make the dream come true. It was a coincidence, and a fortuitous one, but one that the right decisions helped to bring to fruition and JD deserves his share of the praise.

    It was also JD who appointed the dreadful Nigel Spackman, funding him in his clueless endeavours. By the time Spackman was sacked, and a period of austerity begun with the appointment of Parkin, it was already too late. JD will argue until he is blue in the face that ITV Digital's demise did for him, but Barnsley were the only club that were taken down by it, and the reason is that we were already in trouble. If JD gets a share the praise for our promotion to the Premier League, he also get a huge slice of the blame for Administration because he lost control of our finances. That is my opinion.
     
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    Notts County spent about two years in admin after the itv collapse. I'm pretty sure Bradford City did too. There will have been others.

    Spackman was a shocking appointment with the benefit of hindsight. I'd say Cryne has appointed more turkeys than JD. Let's not forget Cryne is the man who wanted terry butcher. I still find that worrying.
     
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    It doesnt affect or rather it doesnt tarnish my wonderful meories of the promotion days Conan.
    BUT when the negatives happened in 2002 I realy thought it was the end of the road for us at the time as a club. Promotion was fantastic, but the threat of going out of business far outweighed that.
     
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    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adm...ist_of_clubs_that_have_entered_administration

    Pretty heavy spike for admin post On Digital. Leicester, Bradford, Notts County, Port Vale, York, Derby, Ipswich, Wimbledon, Darlington, Bradford (again)


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    You may be right. My memory is not what it was. However, what I am relating is a summary of my thoughts at the time. I had watched with growing dismay as Spackman had brought in player after player with seemingly no consideration of cost. It was like some kind of lottery with inflated ticket costs in which sooner or later you picked the right ticket and found a decent player. I watched the same set of circumstances during the second coming of Danny Wilson as he tried to save the club from relegation. A long line of no hopers came into the club, gave nothing and left with bulging pockets. We lost £2.7m that season, which was funded from the deep pockets of PC, and PC learned a valuable and expensive lesson from his experience. The two brushes with disaster have left me with a changed opinion on both of our promotion heroes.
     
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    Can't disagree with any of that to be fair.


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    JD was Chair of around an eight man board. The running of the Club was a collective resposibility so I personally don't credit
    John Dennis personally for our demise. As we've said the revision of the transfer system and the collapse of the ITV digital deal played a big part.
    It appears that apart from our Premier season it appears that we've sailed close to the wind financially and chopping and changing managers has not helped. In our first 90 years excluding caretakers we have had 14 compared to the last 27 years when again excluding caretakers we've had 20. Paying up of contracts and the churn in players and their contracts doesn't help.

    Here's hoping that Hecky is given some time to get it right.!
     

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