Angela Smith

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  1. Sco

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    You have to remember the Penistone and Stocksbridge constituency also covers big parts of Sheffield, which was significantly less in favour of Leave than Barnsley. The constituency covers a large area, and most of it is rural. The farmers in particular could be badly affected by the decision to leave. All we all know is that 68% of the people in Barnsley (51% in Sheffield) voted to leave - that could be 100% in Cudworth and 0% in Cawthorne (as an extreme example) which would balance out towards the 60+% and only Cawthorne of the two is actually in that constituency.
     
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    Yes the one that started in 1945 and lasted for almost 50 years , dividing and subjugating any remote German intentions of a WW3 .
     
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    Technically that is true , although The PM didn't say that , neither did HM Govt's accompanying leaflet that clearly said

    '' It’s your opportunity to decide if the UK remains in the European Union (EU).''

    ''The referendum on Thursday, 23rd June is your chance to decide if we should remain in or leave the European Union.''

    ''This is your decision. The Government will implement what you decide.''

    Nothing there that suggests advisory , quite the opposite .
     
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    Quite true something the remoaners forget
    We knew what the vote was for
    Now people are trying to change that fact
     
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    It depends who's asking...
    Not doubting that, but when MPs voted whether we should have the referendum back in 2015 (?), the wording of the bill was very specific that there was no constitutional obligation for them to adhere to the result of the referendum. It was merely advisory. I'd take anything this Government printed on a leaflet as utter ballax anyrode.
     
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    Unfortunately, the only thing that actually matters is the vellum that the law is written on. What the PM (or the leaflets) said was their interpretation of that law. So either they were lying to you, or the act was badly written and didn't have that part added, but they thought nobody would notice. Its up to you which interpretation you choose.

    https://fullfact.org/europe/was-eu-referendum-advisory/

    Constitutionally all referendums in the UK are advisory unless written into the act. The PR referendum did have that written in, but the EU one didn't. I don't believe the Scottish one did either.
     
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    As I posted earlier, the German people were broken by the events of 1944 and 1945. We could probably have given them a pile of weapons and a headstart and very few would have picked them up.
     
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    What were the conditions of the exit that we voted for
     
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    But we were talking about. Conflict between. The Germans and French. The west v east. Two completely different Entities
     
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    Accept it mate. I'd rather we were in the EU but the vote.went the other way. At the end of the day I will be ok it's those at the bottom of the pile that were conned into voting out that will suffer. But I guess that's not my problem.
     
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    We need to have the chance to have say on how we leave the maverick farage want us to have deal like Norway, paying and get nothing back

    That's unacceptable
     
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    Labour don't care about the working class, it's a myth to think they do, they just care about themselves
     
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    MP's don't always vote, if they know they're going to be away they will often come to an arrangement with another MP who was minded to vote differently so that the resulting voting figures aren't skewed, in such a situation both MPs will be shown as abstaining i.e. not voting. That's not always possible if the MP is called away unexpectedly. I take it you're of the opinion that no excuse, even family issues e.g. bereavement should be excusable for an MP to miss a vote? As a Manx resident, and therefore not part of the EU, I'm not sure what your issue with her is, especially as the Isle of Man doesn't accept the rule of the UK Parliament either.
     
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    Indeed, in fact for there model to work they need to suppress the working. And any ambition that they have
     
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    I was going to resist replying but seeing some of the unbelievable posts....

    ..I cannot!!

    The original post I agree with. She SHOULD resign given her constituency was in a voting area that voted heavily to Leave. I am surprised though, at comments from people like Orsenkhat who should know better. It appears a number on here want democracy only if the result matches their own views. That is NOT democracy but dictatorship akin to Stalinist Russia.

    It is the same mentality as campaigning to ban a leader from Britain for banning people from his country, especially as we are the first to tell US not to interfere in our domestic politics. This is not a judgement on his policies by the way. That is a separate issue for diplomats to wrestle with.

    Back on topic - I believe that No whip should have been imposed BUT MPS should have voted in accordance with their constituencies (not their own arrogant view that they know better than the public,) after all what special skills do most of them have anyway?).

    That means SNP MPs would have overwhelmingly voted 'against' article 50 as their constituencies voted remain (as would some Conservatives) and most of the Welshand NI MPs . However the rest WOULD have voted in favour since their constituents voted to Leave. It would have not made any difference to the outcome as most areas voted leave and it was Remain hotspots with high percentage of Remain votes that made the overall UK result as close as it was. Geographically, most of the UK voted leave.

    As for those of you who are 100% certain Brexit will "wreck the economy", "remove all workers rights" (as if globalisation isnt doing that already) etc...etc... you are just guessing. You really have no idea and certainly no idea of what is going on in Europe right now as the British media and BBC in particular only telly what they want you to hear.

    Stay or leave it is going to be messy but better in the lifeboat with a hand on the tiller than on the deck of a sinking ship.
     
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    throwing full stops round like sheff wednesday are throwing contracts round there fella! Is thi keyboard broken?

     
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    Re: I was going to resist replying but seeing some of the unbelievable posts....

    Course it's democracy ! She's there to vote how she sees fit ,if her constituents don't like it they remove her next election .
    Can't do that with a dictatorship ,didn't you learn nothing at school.?
     
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    I did say in an earlier post it made no difference wether she voted or not the fact is she is obviously against it and probably did not want to vote because of that, whatever this is irrelevant, her constituents wanted a different path in the main. I'm from Wombwell born and bred and usually what happens on the mainland has a effect on the island
     
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    The Norwegian Govt have tried twice to get the Norwegian people to join the EU , both times it has been rejected by referendum , one can only assume they are not unhappy with the relationship they have .
     
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    That's the very least she should be doing. Her one and only responsibility in a matter of this magnitude (which should transcend politics) is not to 'vote her conscience', but to represent her constituency, which very clearly voted for Brexit, and which has now been openly betrayed by it's elected representative.

    She's openly trying to subvert democracy, and she should think herself lucky she's not been found tarred and feathered on Penistone Market Place. Marlon's right mind you, in a democracy it's up to the constituents to show how they feel about her actions by dumping her at the next election. I suspect she intended to step down/retire in 2020 anyway, which is no doubt why she felt she could vote in the shameful way she did.
     

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