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  1. wak

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    Both Mowatt and Dougall have the ability - and Mowatt has played over 100 games for Leeds United in the Championship - shake your own head,
     
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    moore was under contract so whether he went or not was our choice. To be fair selling him was a reasonable decision. Selling him a couple of days before the transfer window closed with no replacement was reckless and stupid.
     
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    mowatt has never been a ‘senior player’ it’s not a role he is familiar with or wants from what I understand. In the Championship he is still trying to prove himself at that level. Dougall has played one match so perhaps it’s best to wait to evaluate his performances over a longer period.
     
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    Brentford not a great example about wages as owner has already put over £100 million into club, so are heavily subsidised.
     
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    But we've got no one with any experience in the Championship according to the narrative being spun, I'm just pointing out that Mowatt has a lot of experience - and Dougall is clearly good enough after over 6 months out he can hold his own against Swansea - I wonder why you look at that performance and want to view it as a one off - rather than in fact a low point in which he will get even better given his days off?
     
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    2017/18 figures show our wage bill as £11 million, Uniteds £19 million that’s a fair difference.
     
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    You make my point very well, thank you. I'll wait for the penny to drop.
     
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    I've actually been on the other side of this argument in the past, and have stuck up for the board and their decisions.

    Difference is, these lot are the wealthiest owners our club has ever had, and whilst I don't want them to get us into debt to themselves or other parties, I expect to see some improvements.

    I'd like to see something that makes sense of why they are here, other than just to skim a bit of pocket change from the odd player.
     
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    I love it when people use those cuddly bees as an example of a club doing it on a budget. Knitting their own shorts etc.
     
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    they live within their means. They sign players for on field success. We sign players as a future financial investment. Their outlay to get promoted was minuscule but they prioritised on field success whereas to us it’s irrelevant.
     
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    Sheffield Utd last year nearly spent double then we will spend this year - and that is one year over a three year period the difference between the two numbers would be bigger each year - do you get that?
     
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    You just keep saying the same thing - I get its attractive to have latched on to an idea that we are some kind of investment vehicle for nefarious foreign types - but its really boring,
     
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    Yet again, you're quoting the wrong person.
     
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    You do realise what the aim of an investment company is? The clue is perhaps in the title. There is nothing nefarious or underhand in it. The reason they are involved with our business and others is to generate profits. Nothing wrong with that in itself and I’m sure they are better at it than you or I. Daft to kid yourself that the aim is anything other than they clearly state.
     
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    You agreed with Jimmy Viz's post - that Somehow Sheffield Utd used Juju to get promoted, I'm replying to your reply to that original post - you are both wrong.
     
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    Finally we agree.
     
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    It's not attractive, it's a fact. They are indeed foreign, and they have invested their money in purchasing us.

    Now it's up to them to do the business on the pitch as well as with the balance sheet.
     
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    No what I said was that there are other models to follow. I am not suggesting we sign exactly the same players or pay exactly the same wages. I’m saying you can prioritise on field success over future financial gain. They chose a model within their budget where they could say sign MCGoldrick just to help them get promoted not because he could make them money 3 years down the line. We would not do that with a similar player within our budget even if they guaranteed on field success because it would not generate income. Their focus is on on field success. Ours is not.
     
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    well it took us a while but now we agree that the aims of our owners are to act as an investment company and that our club is their investment vehicle no more or less. It’s probably time to leave it where we agree rather than waffle on any longer.
     

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