Can I change my mind

Nigel Farage is descended from Nikolas Schrod (German immigrant who got a criminal record in the UK)
David Cameron is descended from Emilie Levita (German immigrant)
Stephen Yaxley-Lennon is descended from Irish immigrants (both parents IIRC) and is now a refugee/economic migrant in Spain

 

It's easy in my opinion.
Controlled immigration = overall fiscal benefit for the UK
Uncontrolled, illegal immigration = poor for everyone involved

 

I think thats the point missed by so many on here, the vast majority of right thinking folk understand that controlled immigration immigration brings huge benefits, whereas the current free for all needs addressing.

 

here we go, another Tory bash.

 

Here we go another Troy defender.

 

It has always been easier for the rich to come here. In the 1930s, the Alien Act of 1905 (and subsequent Immigration Acts of 1914/19) made it a requirement to have £50 in an overseas back account to come into the UK. Many Jews were refused asylum or only allowed to transit to claim in other countries because the German govt had nicely made it illegal to hold money in overseas bank accounts. Many were returned to Europe and left to their fate.

That law was brought in after a number of Jews fled Russia in the 1890s fearing persecution.

 

I would like to ask them why the UK, I realise they dont have to stop at the first safe border and can travel where they like to a certain degree, but after fleeing persecution/ hunger/ threats to life, some of them war when they get their families ( and i say families to safety without the threat of the above) to a civilised country why the trek to northern France ( I say families very loosely ) btw this isn't a anti illegal immigrant chant its just a question I would like to know the answer or the reasons

 

Obviously true.
It’s those trying to make political capital out of race issues - those intending to force people apart by supporting things like the channel crossings and black lives matter.

 

Because many speak English as their second language.

 

I imagine it’s many reasons.

Obviously they can’t all stay in the same country or it would be overpopulated to a ridiculous degree, so it’s good that they spread out.

I’m sure some have family here, so it makes sense to come. Some will be spun a tale by someone trying to make money off them that they will get more here than other countries, which isn’t true, by the way. They get far less here than most other European countries, despite what right wingers would have you believe. Ironically the spreading of this lie that the UK is going to give them all a mansion and gold plated Lamborghini by right wingers could well convince some to come here.
That couldn’t possibly be the idea could it? To convince more to come here to play into the narrative? Couldn’t possibly be. Just like I’m sure Farage and his Fascists didn’t purposely make our standing in the EU worse by not showing up and doing their job, voting in favour of the UK, in order to make our position worse. Couldn’t be.

 

Many speak English as second language
Many have family ties here
Many are from former colonial countries so have cultural ties
Many believe that the British are fair, just and willing to help those in need and that they can be safe and happy here.

In 2019, the UK had ~44000 asylum cases. The EU had 612000 asylum cases. We get around 7% of cases when compared to the rest of Europe. (most were from Libya, Iraq, Syria and Venezuela).

Turkey and Lebanon are currently housing millions of refugees. We can't keep bombing countries in the Middle East and then leave the mess for others to sort out.

 

Ar but Labour.

 

I want to know which Minister has an interest in a dinghy firm

 

It’s probably because of the warm welcome they receive!

 

I want to know how to get hold of one (dinghy not migrant)

 

Clearly does not exist, the figures for settlement of people looking for asylum in the UK is amongst the lowest in Europe and the benefits they get are similarly amongst the lowest. Europe is doing it's bit for the good of oppressed people while we sit on the sidelines whinging about it and simultaneously being amongst the worst in the world for sticking our noses in where it's not wanted and making most of the war zones worse.

Rant over.

 

Is that enough of a reason to risk their lives and their families lives? I have every sympathy for the migrants situation in their own countries and I agree that controlled immigration could be brilliant for everyone in this country, but I honestly don't understand why they would escape their own countries, flee as far as France, and then risk their lives to cross the channel to get here.

 

Two other reasons not mentioned. One is the UK is furthest from their problems. As an island it's easier to feel safe. The crossing is a physical indicator to them that they're no longer attached to where they came from. France is still attached.
The other is that they may well have applied for asylum in France first and been turned down. It isn't always a case of them making a beeline directly for the UK, their journey has often been met with obstacles at every country. We are merely the last one in the journey but it doesn't mean they haven't tried in other countries too or been met with hostility at every turn