Cardiff look for anomalies to withhold payment to Nantes.

Discussion in 'Bulletin Board' started by oldschooltyke, Feb 12, 2019 at 6:20 PM.

  1. old

    oldschooltyke Member

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2009
    Messages:
    165
    Likes Received:
    7
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Home Page:
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47213352

    This bit below says to me that Cardiff are looking to squirm out of the payment to Nantes.

    Confirming the Nantes action, Dalman said: "Of course, if we are contractually obliged to pay them then of course we will. We are an honourable club.

    "But if we are not - and there are some anomalies in that - then surely you would expect me as the chairman and guardian of this club's interests to look into that and hold our position. That is what we are doing.
     
  2. Tob

    Tobys Knackers Active Member

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2011
    Messages:
    266
    Likes Received:
    98
    Trophy Points:
    28
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    As utterly distasteful as it is - it is almost inevitable that there will be some litigation around the whole saga.

    From the various things I've heard it seems that an agent made alternative travel arrangements to those that the club had made.

    It is almost certain that there was not sufficient insurance cover in place for a "high net worth" passenger.

    > Club will look to sue agent for the loss incurred in failure to make appropriate arrangements.

    The agent suggests he contacted an agency used previously who would have had all appropriate cover in place but they sub-contracted it to another agency.

    > Agent will look to suggest Agency 1 failed to engage appropriate sub-contractor and sue them.

    > Agency 1 will look to blame Agency 2 for failure to have appropriate aircraft or insurances.

    There has been a suggestion (I haven't seen it confirmed) that the pilot did not the appropriate licence to fly passengers. IF that is true then the insurers of Agency 2 will void their insurance cover.

    If Cardiff can find issue with the paperwork they pass this headache on to Nantes and save themselves a small fortune in legal fees.

    There's serious reputational damage all round to consider too so it may well be that the financials of that are all carved up in private between all parties.

    It's an awful, awful thing to entertain but I can guarantee you that the first or second phone calls everyone made were to a lawyer!
     
    Pelly likes this.
  3. dreamboy3000

    dreamboy3000 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2005
    Messages:
    33,221
    Likes Received:
    1,441
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    DB3K Towers
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Typical behaviour you come to expect of Cardiff. If they didn't sign him he would still be alive. They need to pay Nantes what they are owed.
     
  4. man

    mansfield_red Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2011
    Messages:
    2,937
    Likes Received:
    1,114
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Jesus
     
    wombwell-red and TitusMagee like this.
  5. Marc

    Marc Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2012
    Messages:
    17,092
    Likes Received:
    642
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Out of order that.
     
  6. TitusMagee

    TitusMagee Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 2, 2018
    Messages:
    1,408
    Likes Received:
    1,103
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Style:
    Barnsley (Full Width)
    I've seen some pretty distasteful stuff on here but I think this tops the lot.
     
  7. dreamboy3000

    dreamboy3000 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2005
    Messages:
    33,221
    Likes Received:
    1,441
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    DB3K Towers
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Don't be silly. He was on that plane because Cardiff were wanting him. It was a terrible tragic accident and you're replying like I have said something that's not true. You'd think I'd laughed at it.
     
  8. Red

    Redhelen Active Member

    Joined:
    Sep 29, 2018
    Messages:
    413
    Likes Received:
    198
    Trophy Points:
    43
    Gender:
    Female
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    If the contract was signed I don't see how Cardiff can get out of paying.
     
  9. man

    mansfield_red Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2011
    Messages:
    2,937
    Likes Received:
    1,114
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    If the Wright Brothers hadn't invented planes he'd still be alive. The wankers.
     
  10. Dan

    DannyWilsonLovechild Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2011
    Messages:
    3,999
    Likes Received:
    1,779
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    The fee will most likely have to be paid... I suspect Cardiff are looking into whether they can reclaim damages from insurers depending on who may have been at fault
     
    Redhelen likes this.
  11. Red

    Redhelen Active Member

    Joined:
    Sep 29, 2018
    Messages:
    413
    Likes Received:
    198
    Trophy Points:
    43
    Gender:
    Female
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    I also don't think it fair on the pilots family to start casting aspersions before all the facts are known.
     
    BarTyke and Old Goat like this.
  12. SuperTyke

    SuperTyke Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2005
    Messages:
    34,738
    Likes Received:
    3,330
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    That's not really relevant though is it. He's saying that it's wrong to use his death as a way to wriggle out of paying when in truth his death occured BECAUSE they had bought him.
     
  13. man

    mansfield_red Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2011
    Messages:
    2,937
    Likes Received:
    1,114
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    It's exaggerated but relevant because he's looking to imply some form of causation/responsibility where there is none in any reasonable sense
     
    TitusMagee likes this.
  14. Bar

    BarnsleyReds Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2013
    Messages:
    2,842
    Likes Received:
    1,254
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Style:
    XenForo - Xenith Reds
    The story goes (as far as I understand it) that the plane was booked against Cardiff’s wishes, by an agent working for Nantes.

    I honestly have no idea how it plays out from a legal point of view, but I think Cardiff are right to question it.

    I mean, this is going to sound awful, I’m sure, but if it was a sale of goods, an agent working for Nantes essentially arranged a delivery, which never arrived at the destination. I’m not trying to trivialise it, but I don’t think Cardiff are out of order for questioning it.
     
    jedi one and shed131 like this.
  15. John Peachy

    John Peachy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2011
    Messages:
    7,664
    Likes Received:
    2,425
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    DJ
    Location:
    Leeds, United Kingdom
    Home Page:
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    I think you are right on this, although surely a club would have key man / life insurance on the player?
     
  16. SuperTyke

    SuperTyke Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2005
    Messages:
    34,738
    Likes Received:
    3,330
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Cardiffs insurance level for players was significantly lower than the value of his contract apparently
     
  17. Dub-Tyke

    Dub-Tyke Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2014
    Messages:
    573
    Likes Received:
    271
    Trophy Points:
    63
    The 3 things I know for sure:

    1) Cardiff asked him to go up to Newcastle with them to meet rest of the team for that night’s game. He decided to go to Nantes to collect items and say a proper goodbye - fair enough.

    2) Cardiff offered him a normal commercial flight, but he turned it down and made alternative arrangements.

    3) Cardiff’s insurers would only cover the loss (if such cover exists), once all other third parties involved clearly have no insurance for it themselves. I.e the plane’s owner, the person/agent who booked the flight and any other possible cover applicable. Insurers always go through that process in large claims - if someone else will pay before them, they’ll pursue that Avenue first.

    I can understand both arguments - although it is sensitive, commercially £15m for Cardiff and Nantes is a lot of money and there is a clear and obvious business case from both sides. If Nantes has no involvement in the plane or booking of it, I suspect they’ll be fine. The argument lies in who pays them.
     
    John Peachy likes this.
  18. John Peachy

    John Peachy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2011
    Messages:
    7,664
    Likes Received:
    2,425
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    DJ
    Location:
    Leeds, United Kingdom
    Home Page:
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    That is their lookout then, unless the pilot was not qualified or the plane was not fit for purpose, if so they might have a case against the agent / hiree of the plane.
     
  19. Dav

    DavidCurriesMullet Active Member

    Joined:
    Aug 9, 2017
    Messages:
    91
    Likes Received:
    120
    Trophy Points:
    33
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Hemingfield
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    This could go on a while, new contract liability laws required maybe. UEFA may have to actually do something here. Not a good look with all the money splashing around.

    Only yesterday Ramsay signed on for an inflated contract. Cardiff and Nantes both can't afford to lose 15 million.

    We only dream of that sum, shows the divide in a very unpleasant way.
     
  20. man

    mansfield_red Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2011
    Messages:
    2,937
    Likes Received:
    1,114
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    I doubt they have jurisdiction to do much here. They could of course choose to compensate the club(s) but I wouldn't hold my breath...
     

Share This Page