They’ve made a mess of the referendum a mess of Brexit and they are in a mess . A new and calculated referendum is required with all the information and relevant scenarios included . I’m sick of hearing the shout loudest brexiteers Iie after lie
Having another referendum is not an option as there is not enough time, I get fed up of insulting remainers using insults(not aimed at you) at brexiteers to make a point. It does seem like they have made a mess of it. For me the facts are a vote was taken, everyone was given an option to choose stay or go and the majority votes won. Where it went wrong is too much backbiting, point scoring instead of concentrating on the negotiations. What should have happened is the MPs from both Labour and Conservatives should have got together and created a plan they all got behind and put political goals to one side to get the best outcome.
Mostly cos Corbyns not a viable option, Labour get a credible mandate and Policies and they would romp home
It’s like someone entering a thriving pub and saying the pub across the road is better and the crowd have vote by a majority of two to go across and when they cross over the pub looks **** but they are told they have to go in as theyve voted for it
Even so doesn’t mean a vote can’t be re taken before we commit . Now we know most of the scenarios is the time for a meaningful vote . A vote which will really gauge the mood
There is certainly no mood in the country for another referendum then more than likely followed by a General election it's been a balls up from the outcome of the last referendum. It was a simple question in or out the majority said out whether you agree or not that's it get out. It seems to me that democracy is the best thing since sliced bread until it's not. Perhaps we should play last season's fixtures again with the same personnel and try and achieve a different outcome.
Brexit is the equivalent of deciding to play our home games next season on the moon despite NASA and half the fans telling you that its a stupid idea.
And some would argue that that the EU has been a lie foisted upon us without recourse or debate a Common market seems like an idea eroded and abused to the extent of countries and their peoples being treat with utter contempt. I would agree however that both sides in this charade since the referendum are not covering themselves in any sort of glory. The will of the people and all that.
Just as an aside, the very thought of either Boris or Jeremy being PM frightens the bejesus out of me.
There will be a general election before the end of the year. Brexit in all but name is dead in the water. I'm a remainer for the record, but also a democrat & was willing to see some sort of less harmful options be chosen to leave the EU. The governing party cannot decide amongst itself what it wants, so there is no chance of negotiating with the EU27. I'm also a Labour supporter & agree Labour would struggle too, but they didn't bring about the referendum, draw up it's terms, prop up a minority government with the DUP to try & deliver it, or break electoral law, as Vote Leave did. What happens after the election (May won't be fighting it, it will be Boris, Gove, or Rees-Mogg), remains to be seen. I think it's time for PR to be introduced & the two party system to break up & a political system that reflects the country to emerge. I'm disappointed Corbyn isn't on the side of PR, as I support him on most issues. The truth is this is bigger than party politics & there needs to be a democratic consensus that reflects the population working together, instead of an archaic first past the post system.
I dont see how the Tory party can survive without splitting into two. Both factions are completely opposed to the others point of view.
Absolutely not. I will say this though. Ed Miliband should have offered the same. Whilst I would have preferred Cameron not to go there, there was no way Miliband could win the 2015 election without matching Cameron's promise. Would he have made such a balls-up of the remain campaign? We shall never know. As it is, we are stuck with the consequences of our own stupidity.
Yes, so would the Labour Party too. In both cases the membership & MPs are totally at odds. In Labour the PLP is still trying to exist, but hasn't the support. The clever Tories in a PR type election would set up an new centre party, probably absorbing the Lib Dems & taking a number of refugees from Labour too. Would be a coalition government in future. In my books, that is what we are crying out for. All other European & most World Countries have done this for years. It has favoured the 2 main parties, The 2 main parties have let is down for 40 years. Time for a change.
You could argue the two (three) main parties have let us down for nearer 200 years. In fact probably since 1807.