Felt reasonably confident until I read this

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  1. Stephen Dawson

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    But the panel overturning or ammending the deduction is in the rules. Why have a sub clause that makes a mockery of your own rules?
     
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    Whatever happens, based on other decision which the EFL have made or failed to make (Macclesfield, Tevez, etc.), plus the dubious independent Appeals Panel, isn't it time there was a complete overall of the EFL punishment model?

    It needs to be clear and concise, applied with no bias, and everyone should know the outcome ahead of time.

    There should be no punishment at the end of a season, i.e. -12 points, if it doesn't lead to a penalty.

    Minus 12 points at the beginning of a season is different, in that it starts you off in a disadvantaged position.
     
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    I was just listening to that Price of Football podcast with Kevin Day and the academic football money guy, Maguire.

    One thing that struck me is that the general perception appears to be that Barnsley (and its fans) are somehow being vindictive, or actively celebrating Wigan's demise. Kevin Day on this podcast, particularly. Wigan fans — having scanned their forum and a bit of Twitter — also seem to think we are being heartless by insisting that the EFL's rules, agreed by EFL members prior to the season are applied. I mean, even if Wigan stay up they're knackered without a buyer and that's got nowt to do wi' Barnsley.

    Everyone seems to think that Wigan going in to administration was an egregious miscarriage of justice, and that Barnsley are now somehow key agents in their downfall. Kevin Day on this podcast basically implied that our being allowed to even give our view during Wigan's appeal was a miscarriage of justice and that perhaps we should have volunteered some kind of support for Wigan's appeal instead — and what just relegate ourselves?

    No club in our position would do that and no set of fans would want them to.

    If the roles were reversed would Wigan fans be insisting that the club fall on its sword?

    Would. They. Eckers. Like.
     
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    To be fair to the EFL rules on Admin have been clear and applied fairly for years. Many teams have been docked points for it. Wigan are the first team I have seen appeal it. They shouldn’t have a chance but you never know :)
     
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    I listened to that this morning and agree entirely with your post. I normally find myself agreeing to what they say in that podcast but they’re way off the mark here, for all the research they clearly do for the show they’ve definitely fallen short on this case.
     
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    This is the problem throughout football. There's very little criticism of the way Wigan were being run as a football club, and a whole lot of criticism of us for being the team that got enough points to stay in the Championship.

    Why isn't more scrutiny being made of why Wigan went in to admin from a financial sense, ignoring the takeover/owner situation? Surely every football club in England should be run in a way that the owner backing out doesn't throw you in to administration, but for some reason that isn't the story with this. It's appalling to be honest.
     
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    To be fair to him, I don't think he meant literally everyone. He is right though, I'm not sure how anyone can be 100% certain we will stay up. I am not convinced.

    We all want the same thing though let's not lose sight of that. We are going around in circles now with these threads. It is the new Brexit!
     
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    As long as it's within the same thread people can circle as much as they like! :D
     
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    No one can be certain, I’m certainly not, but when you’re tarred with same brush, then you react like I have done. If anything, I’d be inclined to be ‘got at’ by the folk who think our relegation is a foregone conclusion. I/ we simply don’t know until the decision is announced.
     
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    Bang on — there was even an interview with Whelan's son in law, from when they sold up, saying the finances of the club are unsustainable. Is that Barnsley's fault as well?

    It's arbitrary; it could have been any one of 6 or 7 clubs in our position at one point.

    And yet we appear to everyone else as if we have committed some heinous crime.
     
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    I was honestly surprised more than anything. He can't even see why we should be allowed to give our version of events? Is he serious?
     
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    Exactly
     
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    Unsustainable...but they can go out and buy players for millions and pay more in wages than say barnsley.
    Sorry i dont get the love in with wigan.
     
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    There is a Wigan fan staying in the pub I am currently having a drink in and I had to refrain myself from losing it. Apparently they are a well run club and the only reason they are in this position is that the owner bet on relegation and put them into admin for that very reason: deluded doesn’t cover it
     
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    If that was true surly that would be a points deduction in its self :)

    although that would be the owner of the club betting on relegation not the club. So apparently that’s ok
     
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    You're keeping a tight ship :)
     
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    Undisclosed and retain an ongoing interest in Wigan's championship status
     
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    We’re becoming football’s equivalent of “but Corbyn!’

    ‘ I know we’ve bent the FFP rules....and bought players without having the funds.....and paid daft wages we can’t afford.....and run up unsustainable losses.......but what about Barnsley?!?! Celebrating at Brentford like they’d survived against the odds, ffs!!!! They’re the villains really’ etc etc....

     
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    Rules are rules,enter administration you get 12 points deducted

    If Wigan win appeal EFL are in trouble
     
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    Just about had enough now. Poor wigan poor this and that. Yeah its horrendous a club on the brink...nobody got this worked up and blamed other clubs when it happened to leeds luton etc...nobody as mentioned the luton blackburn game. 2 own goals and a penalty. It's all Barnsley fault. It's a good job I cant tweet because I would of said something what I shouldn't of but luckily am banned.
     
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