Grabban: 6 million; João Carvalho: 13 million

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  1. Jimmy viz

    Jimmy viz Well-Known Member

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    E3Red Well-Known Member

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    That's why our promotion to the Premier League was remarkable, and hasn't happened since.

    Also, football is not as it was in the 1980s. Our lack of financial clout makes an enormous difference.

    No offence to you, but you seem like someone that hasn't considered the opinions contrary to their position and instead tries to patronise grown men by referring to them as kid.
     
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    Jimmy viz Well-Known Member

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    Blackpool are a club on the same level as us and managed it unlucky for them they got drained of any money. Bournemouth are a similar sized club and done it though they have followed a debt model that I wouldn’t be comfortable with. However it’s just factually incorrect to say no one has done it.

    The disadvantages are the same as they were then.

    I treat you like a kid because that’s how you act. Many people have different opinions to me and if they express them intelligently then of course I take them on board and listen. Unfortunately you do not fall into that category
     
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    Jake The Red Banned Idiot

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    You can’t compare the two eras.
    It isn’t even a little bit similar.
    There are two thirds of this division spending more on a handful of players than we have on our entire squad.
    All this complaining sounds like reaction to not winning and us not throwing money about.
    I happened to say in the summer that our recruitment was a failure. We should have added some experience, a few players with 200, 300 games under them. We did not fill out our forwards department.
    So I accept the board made mistakes. But you are being silly if you think it isn’t completely different this level than it was in the 80s and 90s.
     
  5. E3R

    E3Red Well-Known Member

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    Intelligent commentary from Mr. Viz: Blackpool were unlucky. Christ on a bike. That honestly made me laugh out loud.

    I'm sorry that the level of my discourse has fallen far short of your apparently exacting standards, Mr. Viz, I will endeavour to attain such in the future.

    Blackpool unlucky......still laughing.
     
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    Jimmy viz Well-Known Member

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    Do you not feel that Blackpool fans were ill treated by having criminals as owners and hence unlucky? Or do you feel that they deserved to have money systematically siphoned off?

    I wouldn’t bother trying to attain something you clearly incapable of. Stick to the tantrums and abuse it’s much more your forte.
     
  7. E3R

    E3Red Well-Known Member

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    Facts = Tantrums.

    Listen, I've made no ad hominem points. You referred to me as a kid, and have provided no reason as to why. Forgive me for responding in kind.

    Blackpool made it to the PL (and had a brief stint) on the back of reckless ownership that I would not like to see replicated at my club. That is not bad luck.

    Bournemouth: same model (yet to come home to roost) owner debt
    Villa: Same model (almost came home to roost) owner debt
    Brentford, if they make it: same model (yet to come home to roost) owner debt

    Our promotion in '96 was remarkable (as I pointed out) because we were not loaded with debt. If that has been replicated, I'd like to see the balance sheet.

    With respect to football finances and challenges being the same in the modern era as they were 35 years ago or so, Chelsea's debt was £4 million pounds in 1974. Because of this debt, they could not buy a single player for 4 years.

    So not exactly the same, is it.

    You have suggested that we should be in a position to ably compete in this league, that this should be our average and that I was wrong to suggest that it is not (correct me if that is wrong).

    Our salary budget the year when we went down was about £10 million: the average was £30 million.

    Other than following the model of Brentford or Blackpool (i.e. reckless financial management) in order to be a top half club (say), how would we find 20 million pounds?
     
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    By the same token. Sheff Utd shouldn’t have beaten Everton today away from home?
     
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    E3Red Well-Known Member

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    By what token?

    I don't think my points relate to a single game.

    Norwich beat Man City last week. What financial gap is between them?
     
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    Norwich and Sheff Utd not sold their best players?
     
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    Are you asking me that?

    Getting promoted to the PL is different from being promoted to the Championship, isn't it?
     
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    Why is it not a division higher than we played at last season?
     
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    It certainly is.
     
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    As has always been the case, where have you been for the last few decades? If that bothers you it's probably time to jack it in.
     
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    Were a big fish in league 1 were a ******* tad pole in this one. forest have one player worth more than our entire squad and they aren't even one of the big spenders in this league.
     
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    I've made no claim that we're a big team in this division, simply countered the claim that we're batting above average just to be here. We're not, we deserve to be here on merit and, if we accept the argument it's all about attendances and the income to be made from them, we deserve to be here using that criteria too. We're not even in the bottom 7 teams on average attendances in this division. The whole premise is a nonsense.

    https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/championship/attendances
     
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    I agree we deserve to be here but we have lost key players to wigan and brentford who sit below us in the attendance leagues, looks to me like we don't pay big enough wages.
     
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    This is true.

    This is not.

    Attendances really really matter if you are trying not to run at a loss, and borrow money from the owner. Our position in the table you've linked is insignificant. It doesn't prove anything.
     
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    How can what you've quoted, that doesn't draw any form of conclusion, be either true or false?

    How can the table I linked to, which displays us above 7 other teams in average attendances, which you say is really really important, be irrelevant?
     
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    Bournemouth are where they are due to a swiss billionaire bankrolling them.
     

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