Have you changed your mind ?

Which ever way you voted on the issue of leaving the EU there is no doubt a lot of facts were twisted (shall we say). Now things are progressing have you changed how you would vote now...if so which way?

 

Staunch remoaner. No intention of changing my mind.

 

Once a moaner always a moaner

 

Not changed my mind .
I still think Potts is underrated .

 

There should be an option entitled "Didn't vote, didn't know who to believe, so couldn't decide"

 

Thought I covered that option with "Not sure...who gives a ****"

 

If there's one thing we can surely all agree on, it's that the choice is not a binary question. Leave with no deal/leave with a trade deal. Pay nothing/pay something. Stay in the single market and/or customs union/exit both. Hard border for Ireland/soft border. Keep European laws/ditch them. Keep some form of freedom of movement/end it totally. Let ministers decide/give parliament the final say. Brexit could mean all of these or just some of them. As yet we don't know what combination of all these factors will equal our brexit.

If we had a referendum without knowledge of what our position will be on any of these issues, can it be conceivable that we should not have a further referendum when more is known of what we are getting?

 

Sounds about right.

 

Dunt really work as a put down in this instance.

 

Not changed my mind. Would still vote the same.

 

I "gave a ****" but it was obvious that both sides were lying. I genuinely couldn't decide. So I went camping instead.

 

What a Carry On

 

Thought it was best for the country to stay in though went against some of the things I believe in. We didn’t have enough information to answer a question that we should never have been asked in the first place.

 

ALL slippery dave had to do was change his mind and say sorry no referendumb .
As if political parties honour their manifestos .
And he should have stayed to sort out the mess he made .
No accountability for the .......

 

Think the problem was that Dave didn’t think for a minute that he would lose the vote and thought a remain vote would give him a mandate.

 

I voted leave knowing that things would be tough, probably for some time afterwards. I still believe that it's the best decision, perhaps not for twenty years, but eventually we will be better off.

 

Didn't vote .. dont agree with either side on the eu ref ..

 

Was all about keeping his own party onside and not tearing themselves apart. You're right, he didn't think he would lose. Possibly the worst political gamble in my lifetime.
All this just to satisfy his back benchers... history will judge him harshly.

 

Don't want to get into a slagging match, but you say '20 years' like it's nowt. That's my kids early working life/career down the swannee. Even by your judgement my eldest will be just short of forty by the time you think it will come good again. Probably too late for him and his generation. I hope it was worth denying him all the opportunities we had. It will have to be some pot of gold indeed to have been worth it.

 

Writing off twenty years like it’s nowt.

Takes my kids from youngsters to adulthood. All would have finished uni assuming they have the ability and desire - but would they have the means? What are their prospects in these twenty years?

And after said twenty years, will they have to move into London or its commuter belt to have a chance? How much investment will be made in places like South Yorkshire?

And what is going to be better in twenty years? Genuinely interested in your thoughts as I can see it as only a fiscal disaster. We will end up worse off, paying perhaps slightly less than we did as members for the rights of trade and movement, but with nothing back. And with a big loss of major employers and the like - big name financial companies are already moving their European base from London to Frankfurt. How much do you think the country will suffer and will twenty years be the time until we are better off, or just the amount of time it will take to get back to where we are now?

The referendum was a sham. Leave won - but I don’t think anybody could argue that it wasn’t a win based a lot on blatant lies about the financial benefits and even more on immigration fears and misconceptions when the truth is that out of the eu the migration rate will be little affected, probably reduced due to us being poorer and having less jobs and prospects. We will probably incentivise folk to come!

What got to me the most was the fact that it was working class northern areas like Barnsley, donny, Rotherham that overwhelmingly won it for the leave campaign, yet will be the areas who no doubt will suffer most. Turkeys voting for Christmas. It is also a bit of a niggle in me that the leading demographic of out voters were post retirement, unlikely to be affected by any loss in the jobs market, pensions protected so no real loss of income - and even the ones who are affected won’t likely be for that long due to their age. My grandad voted out. I told him what I thought at the time. I think he grew to regret his decision, certainly had plenty to say as soon as the next day when they backed away from the claims about £350million per week. He passed away last month, so he won’t have to see or hear any more of the ongoing nonsense.

Life in the uk is going to get tougher. Especially in northern England I’d wager, we don’t have the protection of devolved powers like Scotland and Wales, even Northern Ireland. They get guarantees of pro rated funding based on what’s spent in England - but the north has nothing to protect from all the English investment being in the south east, which it invariably is. We will suffer. But we will be told by Tresemme or god forbid Boris and whoever that we are lucky and have it good. And they will be believed.

Through the generations the natural way of things is that the next generation tend to get better opportunities than the last due to developing technologies, disposable income increases and so on. To be fair thats not wholly true; I missed out on free higher education, there were no grants for me like there were in my parents days, not that either went to uni. But generally speaking I probably had more options than they did.

It’s worse now - and I fear that my kids’ futures will be dictated not by their abilities and passions but by the tightness of the purse strings forcing them into low reward work. If they can even find any.

I know folk have differing opinions on this and fair enough, but I think this decision will prove to be a complete disaster for places like where most of us on here live. Though as and when the **** hits the fan no doubt it will be spun into being the fault of something or someone else.