Immigrants, coming over here, winning us world cups!

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    Millions? Citation needed.
     
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    That's true but it's not really like this with the cricketers. All of them would have had succesful careers in the countries they spent most of their lives in. Morgan for example has earned a few million where he couldn't have achieved that playing for ireland. West indian players are paid a pittance in comparison and it made sense for him (archer) to come and qualify for england. Like i said, all of them would have (and have been) succesful in their country of birth. It says a lot that they chose our marvelously multi-cultural country to reside in.
     
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    Doesn't he make a distinction between what he considers is a "good" or "bad" country for immigration? Our irishman would have got in, the white south african too but not too sure about our bajan hero.
     
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    I see this as a terrible indictment of the NHS, that we steal staff from third-world countries rather than train our own.
     
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    Loved his interview.
     
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    I don't see this particularly as terrible as they bring a lot of experience, but I agree that the govt should spend money on training more nurses and doctors. The Tories doing away with bursaries for nursing didn't help matters.
     
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    What we need to do is get rid of this ludicrous nursing degree. It costs the taxpayer between 80-90k per student yet all i ever hear are trainee nurses whining about the bursary. We are one of the few countries in the world that does not charge the full cost to trainees. I worked part-time whilst training years ago and had a family to support too. We need to get back training in the hospitals full-time and lose the university charade that does not at any point offer any practical or clinical experience.
     
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    I couldn't have afforded to do it without the bursary- they've scrapped it now and numbers of trainees have dropped through the floor. Not saying a degree is the right idea but something needs to change to make up the shortfall.

    I left a 30k job several years ago to go and do my nursing. I was working full time on placements and having to do uni assignments on top of that, never mind having a young toddler in the house and mortgage etc... I worked the odd bank shift to help but my bursary was about 500 quid a month. I was at worst a health care assistant for them in terms of numbers on the wards and ability etc. I don't feel that the bursary was unreasonable and was the equivalent of less than minimum wage I think when you worked it all out.
     
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    Agree it's far more problematic when you are a bit older and have a family and have left a decent job but the majority of trainees now are in their late teens and early 20s and have no such baggage. Mental health as far as i can see is over-subscribed it's the general healthcare sector that is facing huge challenges and consequently not enough students coming through.
     
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    It's critical that England are allowed to use overseas players. The population of the Country isn't big enough to find 11 good players. I blame the lack of investment in the public school system. We've really got to put that right.
     
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    Yes you've got a point.
    Not enough cricket is being played in state schools but there are still **** loads of clubs up and down the country in working class towns. There aren't that many posh boys really in the 50 overs squad but it is a factor. Think the ECB will act now and get their 'act' together and put cricket back on the state school agenda.
     
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    Head in hands. WE ARE NOT TRAINING THEM IN ENOUGH NUMBERS. That is why we need them. Simples.
     
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    THIS, WITH BELLS ON.
     
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    Nursing staff is a problem.

    However, there are sufficent numbers of junior doctors qualifying.

    Issue is keeping them.

    Overseas staff. Now thats an interesting scenario.

    The UK has generally struggled to recruit within the Eu to cover numbers required to match demand for the service.

    Non Eu doctors are recruited based on shortages in departments. For example Actue Strokes, cardiologists etc by trust.
     
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