I've read this a few times regarding Sam Morsy

Discussion in 'Bulletin Board' started by archey, Jan 8, 2017.

  1. archey

    archey Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2008
    Messages:
    14,738
    Likes Received:
    1,067
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    V Wing Star Fighter Pilot
    Location:
    Leeds :(
    Home Page:
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    That we should have agreed personal terms with him in the last 4 months.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't that be illegal? Agreeing personal terms with a player belonging to another club without the other club's permission.

    We probably didn't think they'd recall the loan at the start of January considering he was told he would never play for Wigan again.

    Have a bit of faith in our club for once that we'll get a deal over the line prior to the next league game, afterall he's only missed one league match, which we won.

    #TeamsLikeBarnsley
     
  2. dreamboy3000

    dreamboy3000 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2005
    Messages:
    31,319
    Likes Received:
    611
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    DB3K Towers
    Home Page:
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Would have thought agreeing a fee means we automatically have permission to talk to the player?

    Or just through general chat at the very least we'd have asked him what he wanted and told him what we would be willing to offer?

    Even if for some reason we couldn't officially chat terms with him until January it should have still only taken a few days surely.
     
  3. archey

    archey Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2008
    Messages:
    14,738
    Likes Received:
    1,067
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    V Wing Star Fighter Pilot
    Location:
    Leeds :(
    Home Page:
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    I'd imagine we wouldn't have been able to discuss terms with him until we've had a bid accepted; we couldn't put a bid in until his loan had come to an end.

    I don't think it was actually confirmed that he'd been recalled until Wednesday ish, so it's really only been a couple of days in reality.

    #TeamsLikeBarnsley
     
  4. dreamboy3000

    dreamboy3000 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2005
    Messages:
    31,319
    Likes Received:
    611
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    DB3K Towers
    Home Page:
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    There would have been nothing to stop terms being discussed in friendly chit chat. It would seem odd to not find out what a player you want to sign wanted and to tell him what you'd be willing to offer.
     
  5. Hud

    Huddersfield Red Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2012
    Messages:
    2,346
    Likes Received:
    134
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Style:
    Barnsley
    I find it very hard to believe there has been no discussion with the agent, official or not along the lines of "what sort of salary would your client be looking for, we are thinking about so much" before he arrived. Unless the agent has suddenly moved the goalposts and is asking for a lot more based on SM impressive performances.
     
  6. occ

    occook Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2007
    Messages:
    4,037
    Likes Received:
    1,393
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Think this is most likely scenario. Before Morsy had no future at Wigan. Now, not only does he have a future they are likely to be offering to up his wage.

    So we either offer him what he wants or we move on.
     
  7. John Peachy

    John Peachy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2011
    Messages:
    5,819
    Likes Received:
    1,193
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    DJ
    Location:
    Leeds, United Kingdom
    Style:
    Barnsley
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    In a nutshell.
     
  8. Marc

    Marc Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2012
    Messages:
    16,985
    Likes Received:
    514
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Correct. I'd like to hope it was sorted either way next week. Can't be having it drag on.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
  9. Marlon

    Marlon Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2011
    Messages:
    12,720
    Likes Received:
    865
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    HERE.
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    That's not how agents work.
    They'll maximise to the fullest and squeeze every moment ( penny) they can.
     
  10. Red

    Redsnut Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2011
    Messages:
    1,425
    Likes Received:
    45
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Don,t look good for the rest of our out of contract players if we can,t agree terms with him.


    Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
     
  11. Marlon

    Marlon Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2011
    Messages:
    12,720
    Likes Received:
    865
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    HERE.
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    I don't know whether we will be able to or not but we have to have faith in the system we have adopted that brought these players through in the first place and hope theres more to come.
    We can't be thinking the system is broken or unsustainable because we can't keep the players ,we have to believe there's others out there that will step up or come in and carry the plan on.
     
  12. blivy

    blivy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 29, 2011
    Messages:
    4,676
    Likes Received:
    212
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Location:
    Manchester
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Do we have the option to sign him in January, or just at the end of the season?
     
  13. Farnham_Red

    Farnham_Red Administrator Staff Member Admin

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2005
    Messages:
    20,241
    Likes Received:
    1,057
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Farnham
    Style:
    Barnsley
    Well one or two have tried that over the years. I particularly remember a German? left back with a very good shot who we took on short term with a view to making it longer - he played well so we tried to give him a longer contract but he wanted lots more dosh so we told him to take a hike - think he had to go to Turkey to get another club. Just cant remember his name.

    But regarding Morsy we dont know if thats the case at all. Though if Wigan now want to keep him and offer him much better terms than we can I can understand why he might stay there
     
  14. tyk

    tyke69 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2005
    Messages:
    2,129
    Likes Received:
    43
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Home Page:
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Was the German you refer to Dominic Werling?
     
  15. Dja

    Django Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 2013
    Messages:
    5,704
    Likes Received:
    701
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I wouldn't worry too much.

    Personal terms doesn't necessarily mean we can't agree on a wage. Could be anything. Contracts can be pretty complicated, bonuses based on starts, sub appearances etc, number of appearances over a season. He could have clauses in his contract with Wigan that his agents trying to get him at Barnsley too
     
  16. One

    One plus one equals three Member

    Joined:
    Aug 19, 2011
    Messages:
    161
    Likes Received:
    5
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    I think that Barnsley have had in recent years a policy of making an offer, leave it open for a limited time period, and, if not accepted, withdraw the offer and move on. I think that is the right approach as that way the players have to think twice about holding on while their agents look for better offers. I think they should continue to do this so it is very clear to out of contract players there is a risk in not accepting offers that are on the table. I appreciate that the better players will be confident of getting something better, however there is a big risk for us if we gamble on them signing and leave it too late to get replacements. I somehow think the club will have built in contingency plans for if any of the players do not renew. Let's face it they have done well with recruitment recently.
     
  17. Marlon

    Marlon Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2011
    Messages:
    12,720
    Likes Received:
    865
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    HERE.
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    That's correct and as I said earlier we can't abandon or deviate from the policy we set out with at the first sign a player doesn't re sign or wants a move.
    I have no problems with that tbh, it's a job and naturally you want the best pay, conditions, rewards and satisfaction and appreciation that's on offer.
    Most players don't hold clubs to ransom nor sacrifice their potential careers for a club and in most cases in the football world there's an understanding of that and work for a compromise.
    I believe our policy has worked so far be sure we have the proper structure and personal in place and if players move on or don't make it theres a policy in place to sustain,maintain and hopefully better the situation.
     
  18. PLOBBY

    PLOBBY Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2013
    Messages:
    1,898
    Likes Received:
    556
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    keep yer nose out
    Location:
    Cave
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Great post . We should stick rigidly to our transfer and recruitment policy although it's a little harder this year than last and as Hecky says we can't keep finding diamonds. Linton Brown needs to earn his stripes this month .
     
  19. 55&counting

    55&counting Active Member

    Joined:
    Feb 13, 2015
    Messages:
    939
    Likes Received:
    106
    Trophy Points:
    43
    Occupation:
    Avid Vic & Bob fan.
    Location:
    Ardsley
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    I really want Sam Morsy at the club. The frustration here is that we just don't know what's going on and nor do I expect that we should. I do 100% agree with others who have stated that we shouldn't deviate from the policy / programme / business model (call it whatever you want) which has worked so well and which is another wonderful Patrick Cryne legacy to the club.
    Continue to recruit prodigious young talent from lower league clubs, continue to give them excellent development and if needs be then let them move on. Like all of us I want to keep Conor and Sam and josh and Marley et al but the method and modus operandi of our club is working a treat. Don't change it. I don't want any of them to leave and I really really want Sam Morsy to come back. However if he doesn't then we move on. Nobody is indispensable.
     
  20. Duntpasstome

    Duntpasstome Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2014
    Messages:
    1,084
    Likes Received:
    456
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Can our current policy get us to the premier League?
    What could hecky and his staff do with ready made championship players?
    Are we happy with establishing ourselves in the championship only? Does anyone think we have a policy or ideas about how we get to the next level?
    When our current players leave there is a big chance we will have to go through a period of struggling until the new ones get up to speed.
    We have been spoiled with the success of the last 12 months and what is the majority of the fans expectations now?
     

Share This Page