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  1. Dys

    Dyson Well-Known Member

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    I don't remember being this wound up after a game in years. Fuming. However, I've got two simple questions:

    1. Why did we think that a man with no experience at this level or this country was the right man to steer us clear?

    2. If we want someone to make our players better because of the model, why can't we have a manager to manage the players & games and a team of coaches to make them better? You know, like every other club has done for the last 50 years?

    I supported Hecky cos I felt like, despite the constraints & issues with the squad he knew what he was doing. Yet to feel like that with Jose.

    Terrible day.
     
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    This.

    The championship is the 5th or 6th biggest league in the world

    We appointed someone with no track record as a first team manager

    I found it bizarre and uninspiring at the time and still mystified now.

    We are as good as down.

    Woeful appointment. Happy to come back on here in May and be proved wrong.
     
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    If only George was available to deliver an inspirational message to the masses. I hope he gets well soon.
     
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    It is a sad state of affairs when both Liam and BigLil are downbeat on the same night. In answer to 1) Liam, I think Gauthier is your man. There is no football experience anywhere else on the Board unless you count James, and I can't see that he would have had the say. 2) This notion seems to be the vanity project that leads to Directors of Football and the like, which seem to lead to grief far more often than to progress.
     
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    The same people that were partly attracted to the club by the way we've been doing business, ie "the plan", which is currently falling flat on its face and is possibly going to put us back in league one.

    I was all for this takeover. It had to happen, and I didn't want us to become a hobby club BUT these guys must surely understand that this isn't sustainable at this level.

    They have to do something to get the ball rolling at sometime surely?
     
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    What do you mean by “vanity project”?
     
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    I heard that he was away following the venerable path of Lord Baden Powell but that he unfortunately got his woggle caught in a scout's lanyard.
     
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    orsenkaht Well-Known Member

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    I mean by that others interposing themselves and purporting to know more than managers/head coaches - whether by their own empire-building designs or on behalf of owners wishing to exercise control in matters beyond their own experience.
     
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    Let’s give him more than 6 games eh? Was Paul Heckingbottom still demonstrating that he knew what he was doing? 1 win in 16 (yes, I get the context, which is why I backed him to the end) indicates not - we were gradually getting worse.

    The context afforded to Paul Heckingbottom surely has to be afforded to Morais? Not to mention the new owners.

    Who knows how much influence 20% gets you? Isn’t the Nice model let the ones in charge before carry on?
     
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    Redstar Well-Known Member

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    But who is doing that?
     
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    Morais 'should' have a better squad than Heckingbottom had with the additions of McBurnie & Moore but we play a system that seemingly makes our weaknesses more exposed.

    From what I've seen, we've gone backwards from a terrible position. Not easy to do.
     
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    How do I know? But do you think any of the past or present coaching team have had much say in who we recruited from last Summer onwards?
     
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    To me Liam I don’t think he knows what system to play, it’s got that “stumbling around until hopefully I drop on something” feel about it,
     
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    What I would say about that is that regardless of the results, do you think a team overseen by Hecky would have played in such a spineless fashion as today's team did? There is giving people a chance, and there is ignoring the obvious. And while I'm very fickle, have a look at the expressions of concern by the likes of BigLil and Dyson today. That says a lot, in my view.
     
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    I think the opposite. I think he's come in with a view of what system he wants and is playing that regardless of the squad he has available.
     
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    McBurnie yes, but Moore is the new John Pearson.

    The rest of the team is as bad as ever.

    Like I say, Paul Heckingbottom gets 13 months of “context” and Morais gets 6 matches. Ok.
     
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    No. I’ve never thought they have had beyond “ the final choice” between player a or player b

    If we’re talking vanity projects the plan is one. And folk got pilloried for suggesting that and asking what James Cryne’s involvement was/is
     
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    Yes. Saw it on a few occasions this season
     
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    Like I said in my original post - I felt like at least Heckingbottom had a plan and his success of the previous 18 months earned him that patience. Signs not good from Morais - pushing players out, hanging Hammill out to dry, same with Mallan today. Strange.
     
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    Strange, until today it was being claimed that 433 sorted our players better

    The top and bottom of it is we don’t have enough players who are good enough often enough, regardless of formations and systems
     
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