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  1. man

    mansfield_red Well-Known Member

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    This is right. I imagine that a lot of businesses will drastically reduce their office space and operate a hot desking policy for those who absolutely need to come into the office for meetings etc. I expect to be working entirely from home for the next few months and beyond that I think I expect to have flexible arrangements and end up working from home at least 3 days a week.

    Any developer building offices which aren't yet let will be very nervous right now.
     
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    Other than the occasional meeting I can’t see me going back. I travel round a lot so cutting back on additional non essential travel has been an absolute revelation and I’ve got loads of work done. I found it hard at first but once I got in the swing it’s a massive improvement.
     
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    Which basically means I can't ever have a computer or desk based job because I dont have an home office or room to install a workplace. I have a laptop that I use sat on the sofa.

    Why should me being from Barnsley and therefore relatively poor mean that I can't have a computer/office/desk based job?

    Add to that the millions of people who simply aren't able to motivate themselves alone and it's a recipes for disaster
     
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    I feel sorry for the office cleaners... Either their jobs are going to go or they are about to start travelling miles cleaning up everybodies office space in the employees homes lol


    Joking apart ... A friend of ours has just received a desk /chair / laptop and telephone line to be fitted next week all ready for working from home from now on... She works for customer care for one of the large insurance companies... Most in her department have taken the option to work from home to safe guard their jobs and according to what they were told it seems that its the way forward for most industries where possible

    Good or bad... one thing is certain in the bigger picture.. A) You don't meet work colleagues nor know who they are to some point....B) It will no doubt dilute the unions power too C) it will be easier to impose the companies will on the individual and in turn make it easier to get shut if the need or intent is there.....
    Think about that for a moment before eagerly signing up... Rule by division so easy to implement.Once they get you divided..
     
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    I don't think you know what golden handshake means.
     
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    I agree 100%, however, how do you convince bosses of this fact? For over 10 years at Jaguar I had the ability to work at home but was only ever allowed to 2 or 3 days a year despite being able to demonstrate a clear improvement in productivity on those days.
     
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    What??
    I've got colleagues working from home in Barnsley right now (well maybe later today :) ).
    You don't need a 'home office' just enough space to sit comfortably and work (I know someone currently working at a fold up garden table), most people are working at dining tables. I'm lucky as we set up a desk in a kids bedroom for A levels (long ago - kids all gone now), but I know for a fact it's a better set up than 90% of my colleagues have.

    I know several people WFH in one bedroom flats (though for their wellbeing, they're a priority to get into an office at least part time)
     
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    That was exactly my point. You are working from a kids bedroom (imagine if they were still at home) and that is better than 90% of people who are working from a dining table, a fold up garden table or are stuck in a tiny 1 bed flat.
    For the well off with spare bedrooms converted into offices or those with an actual office it's great, for everyone else it's terrible and not practical long term.
     
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    That's all well and good and gets companies out of paying for correct equipment Expect work related injuries to rise, back pain, tendonitis etc
     
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    Productivity to hit the floor too. At work I'm at work, at home I've got a TV, radio, garden, mobile. Basically every distraction possible.
     
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    Is it like a golden shower?
     
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    This... there will always be some bosses/Companies that will not allow home working, some down to cost, some down to their lack of ability as a boss.
    As an aside note will be interesting to see long term how the Government react when they realise closing work places for this reduces rates etc and homeworkers can claim rebates on their personal tax.
     
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    No, you are technically correct I don't work in an office - I work in two. My company office is in Hammersmith and I've been 3 times in one year (Interview, induction, another interview) and don't expect to return anytime soon. Second office is the client offices (currently Guernsey, but previously Swindon, Gloucester, Dublin, Birmingham and other places) which I normally visit 2-3 days per week - but again don't expect to visit until later this year or maybe early next.

    Some of these offices are massive (2000+), some are small (~20). Most of the companies I've seen are looking to downsize and use more hot desks and remote working.
     
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    You are missing the point (purposely?), I have loads of colleagues with kids, Most people are working from kitchen tables, and the vast majority are happier to be WFH.
    As I posted though, there are people for whom it’s not so good, and they are prioritised.

    If any employer can save even half their office space, it’s a huge saving (increase wages?) and frees up space for home building.

    Who doesn’t want a country with higher incomes and more housing?

    BTW that’s again not hypothetical, my employer increased wages off the back of efficiency savings recently and in Yorkshire I can take you to 2 of their former office blocks that are now flats and a former large site that was bulldozed for a housing estate.
     
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    There’s money to be claimed for proper chairs etc.
    Large employers don’t ignore DSE, it’s not worth the cost.
     
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    So the real reason you couldn’t work from home is because you don’t have the self discipline. :)
     
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    Strangely, in 2012 when I had an accident whilst cycling (broken shoulder blade) they had no problem with me working from home instead of just being on the sick....
     
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    I suspect that employees will start to ask questions about the companies flexibility around home/remote working and top candidates will start to choose to work for companies which fit their lifestyles. I wouldn't work for another company that expected me to be in the office full-time again - although I do expect to be on client sites for a maximum of 2-3 days/week (and I expect that requirement to fall by at least half over the next few years).
     
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    There will always be exceptions to any rule.
    I worked for a Company from 2001- 2016 where I worked from home because HO was just past Exeter.
    I had to go in a couple of times a month for meetings but aside of that, I was based from home.

    Fair play to you’re company too, either they were progressive etc or you was too valuable.
     
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    That's going to play havoc with your spine long term. People who agree to work from home need to be properly supported, with provision of work stations and the full kit. Health and safety must not be compromised in order for companies to save money, regardless of any personal savings or environmental benefits. Easier said than done, but we absolute cannot put people in harm's way. It has to be done properly.
     

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