Kenny Dalglish tests positive for Coronavirus

Get well soon

 

Get well soon King Kenny.

 

Get well soon Kenny.

 

www.liverpoolfc.com/amp/news/announcements/392764-a-message-on-behalf-of-sir-kenny-dalglish-and-family

Found out he had it despite no symptoms and being in hospital for something else.

 

Even if you completely disregard his exemplary playing career. Even if you put to one side our relationship with the scousers, the man is a complete legend in his application towards the Hillsboro victims. All the best Kenny.

 

A perfect example of the 'with' or 'because of' argument. If he were to die of his admission illness, he would be added to the coronavirus figures, despite being asymptomatic.

 

Get well soon great memories, x

 

Did anyone else get his autograph when he visited simcos?

 

not sure if you're right.

on a death certificate the dr has to

a) note disease or condition
b) note other disease or condition leading to a)
c) note other disease or condition leading to b)

note any other factor contributing to death

 

I am right. The relevant paragraph in the linked article is copied below.

"Even within a country, official statistics can vary according to what you count. In the UK, for example, the Department of Health and Social Care releases daily updates on how many people who tested positive for Covid-19 died that day. This includes any patient who tested positive for Covid-19 but who might have died from another condition (for example, terminal cancer). But the UK’s Office for National Statistics counts all deaths as Covid-19 where Covid-19 was mentioned on the death certificate, regardless of whether they were tested or if it was merely a suspected case of Covid-19. Adding to the complexity of trying to understand the death rates is that the two are out of sync, since the ONS way of counting can only happen after a death certificate has been issued, so takes longer."

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200401-coronavirus-why-death-and-mortality-rates-differ

 

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Did you watch BBC breakfast this morning?

listening to the heartbreaking story of a bloke who’s doctor wanted him in hospital as he had signs of Covid 19, no beds available. Upon his death, the dr could only note ‘natural causes’ on his death cert. he died (like most people do) of a heart attack when his body simply gave out.

a fortnight earlier he was a perfectly healthy happy bloke.

He won’t get a post-mortem because the system is beyond stretched, he’s already missed the point at which he should have had his Muslim funeral, and his poor family still don’t know when the funeral will be - again the system is completely overloaded - with similar stories.

but you feel free to carry on making your pathetic point that fails to get anywhere near ‘the truth’ because it makes you feel good.

oh and back on topic, hope Kenny gets well soon

 

If the patient dies after being tested for CV then the Dr will put CV on the death Certificate and the ONS will record CV as a factor in the persons Cause of death.
From a professional point no doctor would risk putting CV as the cause of death if patient hasn't been tested and found to have CV.
There are many who die of CV untested but as CV is not noted on their Death Certificate they are not in the ONS totals.
It's therefore reasonable to assume that there are more deaths form CV than the official ONS figures show.

 

That's a ridiculous thing to say. I'm disappointed in you, considering how long YOU have spent in the past debating this very issue. My point isn't that the figures they release every day are either too high or too low, they are simply too misleading. The release of them is therefore worthless, other than to salve the ghoulish obsession of the press. There are figures which are useful, which the experts crunch to model the virus's progression (the ONS ones), but the DHSC ones are likely to be miles out in so many different ways and do no-one any good.

 

Nope
They’re exactly what they claim to be:

only misleading if you hear them and refuse to accept the description, or like too many - insist on getting into a tailspin about why they’re ‘inaccurate’.

they’re the number of people who’ve died in hospital who have tested positive for Coronavirus.

like all government Statistics, they’re a line from which you can measure other identical points. They may not be an exact number of deaths from CV, but because they’re a consistent measure, we can see the number rise and fall in a statistically valid way.

people arguing about how much they might be an overcount are seriously ignoring the elephant in the room.

we may - in the future be able to properly analyse all of the data, including 111 calls and GP databases, and come up with a fairly accurate picture of what happened (as they do with flu).

 

Still keeping it up I see. Being a complete cn*t. If you are actually a data analyst, as you claim, and we could identify you, you would have been sacked from our department for the things you've written on here.

 

You think it's clear how the daily death figures are being reported then. Today's BBC report of the total isn't misleading at all then. Someone would know that "Coronavirus related" means that they haven't necessarily died of Covid-19 then.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/wor...91c7a8e23144067f57b5ed&pinned_post_type=share

 

I don’t see it as misleading; it’s based on the same description they’ve used throughout.
Just becomes misleading if you want it to be.

 

I relay a story of a very sad death and you call me a ????
Nice work!
absolutely charmed I’m sure.

 

"but you feel free to carry on making your pathetic point that fails to get anywhere near ‘the truth’ because it makes you feel good."

As I said, you're a complete cn^t. And you've just proved that by claiming I called you that because you relayed a sad story. I called you that because you're a complete cn*t, who treats people like scum. So I'm treating you like scum, because you are.