Just watched Egan for Sheffield United sent off for exactly the same thing as Helik just a poor choice as last man, dont pull back the striker.
Again it wasn’t exactly the same though, Egan’s foul was clear and obvious, Helik’s was debatable, Walton had reached the ball before Reading player went down. The one on one with forward and last defender is the only similarity for me
I blame whoever had the hairy fairy limp di ck shot at goal that was blocked and cleared up the field.
I still think its the wrong approach - award a penalty - if it stops a good chance or even a goal if it denies a certain goal and book the player its better all round
I think that only works if you've got VAR in the game (don't think we do in 2nd tier yet?), otherwise a defender can try and save the ball on the line and it's not really taking a risk. They'll just think "it's going in anyway, if I get caught I'll only get booked, but on the off chance it's missed I've saved a goal". I do agree with the sentiment though that red cards ruin games.
The rule isn't 'if you're the last man', a red card is awarded if you deny a clear goalscoring opportunity. I haven't seen Egan's so I can't comment. Helik didn't deny a clear goalscoring opportunity, which is why, his shouldn't have been a red card. Having watched the highlights of our game, it appears that I missed Anderson's first yellow card at the time (my stream was lagging, so I refreshed to catch up). Their players put pressure on the referee to show a red for that one. I wonder if he showed Helik the red for the 2nd one because the Reading players gave him a hard time for the first one? Neither were a red like. But it's very inconsistent refereeing.
That’s exactly what I think the players got in his head and made him feel like he gave the wrong card to Anderson initially so when the chance presented itself he got to even it up. Just stings with stuff like this as we seem to be on the wrong end of a lot of decisions - that other teams seem to get away with endlessly. The only one in recent history that was a soft sending off was the one v Blackburn.
Whether it's a red card or not is debatable, but Helik's foul falls in the 'clear and obvious' category as well. Let's be reight. I'm not denying that Joao made a meal of it, but he's clearly pulled him back.
Absolutely. How many times do you see a referee give a soft red card to make up for a questionable yellow. The referee vs Blackburn had been scrutinised for giving Mitrovic a yellow for a clear elbow in the game previous. I still think he was being over eager in our game with Blackburn to give that red.
The rules already take that into account. If it's a genuine attempt to get the ball but is a foul you get booked, if it's an obvious attempt to cheat then it's a red. Just needs applying throughout the pitch really
Chelsea had one sent off on Sunday for a very similar thing. The trouble is that the referee only gave him a yellow card to begin with, then had to go to VAR to change it to a red. Had we had that ref on Saturday with no VAR then Helik would have got a yellow. Or because we're not Chelsea it probably would have been a straight red.
Makes sense. Much as I hate it I really think we need to start playing the same game, otherwise we will just constantly find ourselves on the wrong end of it no matter how noble it might seem.
None of those challenges were in the penalty area. Are you saying award penalties for last man fouls?
The should have a penalty shot where they start from the half way line just them one on one with the keeper like in Ice hockey. Seriously though if we keep going at this rate with that type of foul there’s going to be a sending off most games. It’s a no brainer for forwards to try it because at worst they can only get a yellow for diving.
Yes exactly - a last man foul should be a penalty kick whether or not it takes place in the box. The current rules dont seem to work too well - a player can be running towards the corner flag out of the box and tripped - but if its in the box a penalty is awarded giving a far better scoring chance than the one denied but a player through on goal can go past the keeper and get brought down on the edge of the area when all he had to do was roll the ball into an empty net and a free kick outside the box is awarded - all I am saying is that should also be a penalty kick to restore the goal scoring oppertunity In fact ideally I would go one further where the foul presented a certain goal - eg player brought down when all he had to do was tap it in to an empty net or ball handled on the line not even a penalty should be awarded but a goal should be given. They do it in Rugby with a penalty try where foul action prevents an almost certain try
I am being ‘reight’ I, along with others on here and friends/ family,did not see an obvious foul, hence I used the word debatable.
