Last time it was as turbulent as this Thordarson was the manager

Absolutely fed up of reading speculation of who's going.
Looks like for definite.
Scowen
Watkins
All the loan players

But also talk of:
Yiadom
Roberts
McDonald

It looks like on top of the 3 plus Morsey that went in January - nearly all the first team that started the 2016/17 season will have gone by start of the new 2017/18 season.

Very reminiscent of the Thordarson era when he had to build a full first team from scratch.
No progress.

 

Fed up of reading about speculation, yet starts yet another thread. About speculation.

 

And he says he doesn't attend games. Weird.

 

It's only as turbulent as you allow yourself to think it is.

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Watkins is 100% leaving. I'm told he already has a contract offer of £12k a week from another club & his agent is trying to get him £15k. We won't come anywhere near to matching that amount

 

The sad thing about players leaving for better money, is that the only guarantee is the money itself.

A lot of these players are good because they suit each other and the team they're currently in.

If they want to **** off and warm someone else's bench, then let them go.

We've been selling our best players for ever, and here we still are, in one of Europe's toughest leagues, and in the top 50% of English professional clubs.



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I certainly wished I hadn't drunk 6 pints of real ale & eaten that chinese a few hours ago. The turbulence is quite unbearable,

 

Does that apply to aeroplanes too?

I once got caught in turbulence across the Atlantic - my thoughts on the matter were largely irrelevant.

 

We have flogged players before. That's fair enough. It happens. To lose pretty much your whole starting 11 is a bit different. Leaves us a difficult if not impossible job in the summer. Still exciting times.


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My take on all this is Patrick is tidying up all his financial aspects with the club. I am guessing that the ceo job has been left for new owners to appoint. I think it's all happening for a reason so it's a case of being understanding and patient.

 

Yes I think yer right.
As was said - of course we sell (in our case give away) players - but can't remember a time when nearly a full team was dismantled before - except for when Thordarson was manager.

And if I remember right - that was during a period of a change in ownership?

 

It was the fall out from administration if remember correctly. We'd had Parking/Ford in charge, they lost their jobs when administrators came in, Hodges lost his job at end of season. I think the Doyle regime appointed Thordarsson with Glavin as his coach. Glavin left towards Christmas (??) and then Ridsdale took charge, dismissing Gudjon and replacing him with Paul Hart.

 

My dad used to complain about selling our best players.

My grandad used to complain about selling our best players.

The more things change...

 

I have to agree on one point. Surely the clubs model of recruiting young hungry talent, developing them and getting value via transfers and what they do on the pitch for us all goes out of the window somewhat if we see large scale change. Ok, losing 3 players one season, we could realistically replace but to virtually recruit a full team every season cannot be the model, it is too much of a risk to take. Not all the players recruited will be good enough for our team never mind adding that value the club is looking for.

Don't get me wrong here, I think the clubs model is the way forward for us, but only as I mentioned above where a max of perhaps 3 regular first teamers leave either via transfers or not signing new deals. Anything more than that destroys the model for me.

Not sure I can think what the answer is though here, I think the club are being totally sensible in being rigid with the pay structure so that we try and live within our means, so 95% of the teams in our own division are going to to be more attractive in terms of offering players higher wages.

Maybe there is something inventive the club can do contract wise when player initially signs to add some protection but it's hard to see what could be done.

Another answer could be upping the activity of our development squad recruitment process to increase the flow of players available. Yes, there would be a bit of a squeeze on wages for the first team to support such events. I guess it's a case of balancing quality and quantity.

 

Davies, Yiadom, McDonald, Jackson, Hammill, D'Almeida, Lee, Payne, Moncur, Mowatt, Bradshaw are all under contract, 2 have just signed extensions, so it is not a full team that is needed, we need numbers & we need to strengthen, but some of the players we have now know what is expected of them & some have a full pre season to settle even more.

Add to that the likes of Hedges, Smith, Kay, Brown, who can develop further & have been involved with the squad, it is something to build on.

We sold some our best players, FACT, we were all left very frustrated, FACT, if we are 7th or 8th at Christmas next season the best players entering the end of their contracts will be sold again, FACT.
We are the 2nd smallest club in the 2nd tier of English football, FACT, we can't afford big wages, FACT, we give players the stage to improve whilst we get upcoming stars at cheap wages, FACT, it has always happened & will continue to do so, it just seems more noticeable because the gap in the have's & have not's is growing year by year.

All i am saying is, look at the positives for once, look where we are, look how far we have come, it's been a good season, we go again next year & let's see what happens, a lot will change, owners CEO's.

A foreign owner could come in, change the whole ethos of the club, buy 15 foreign players we can't pronounce, on big wages, who all turn out to be *****, i know the path i would rather walk.....

 

I'd say 3rd. Burton - Brentford - Tarn, FACT

 

I'd rather our players were playing well and attracting interest than playing badly and not attracting interest.

 

I'd pretty much say a full team if Scowen, Watkins and Roberts go. And none of the loanees sign.

From the start of last season first team regulars

Mawson/White/Roberts/Bree
hourihane/Scowen/Watkins/Kent
Armstrong/Winnall

With mentions to Matty James/Sam Morsy/Janko/Gethin Jones. All of whom have been prominent first team players.

A big task. Not impossible but very difficult.


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Bit negative Jim. Sounds like a dig at Cryne for me. Get behind/spend your own money.

Agree 100% though and when you look at it in those terms it shows the plan is not working - regardless of our survival this season.