Non footy: Another 'propaganda piece' purporting to be 'news'..

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  1. Tek

    Tekkytyke Well-Known Member

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    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-44798135

    Annoying seeking yet again to divide the country implying young people are progressive and forward thinking and older are set in their ways. Sometimes it may be true but there is also an argument that age brings experience and experience leads to people seeing things in greys rather than black and white.

    I love the 'perceptions' sub heading about electric cars. No they are NOT perceptions they are facts.

    They ARE too expensive,
    Range totally inadequate -They are OK in towns and suburbs but totally inadequate for X country journeys and rural dwellings. "30 minutes in petrol stations with fast charging to 80%" Wow so you have to queue and sit for 30 minutes so you can get another 100 miles Wow That is alright then !!!
    Many rural homes have limited supply (takes 8-12 hours to charge so if battery is low and you get in at say 8 pm, your battery is low you cannot go out at night AND set off early if you have a long drive ahead next morning .
    Range is a myth. Physics dictates that in very cold weather battery efficiency plummets and the double whammy is you use your heater in the car further depleting the charge and range.
    Disposal/ replacement of of batteries expensive and environmentally ungfriendly as is raping the world particularly 3rd word countries of rare minerals to make them in the first place .

    Hybrids or hydrogen fine. The former allows electric in built up areas where pollution is evident but in open countryside switch to IC engines to give sufficient range (and recharge batteries at same time.
    Pure electric car propaganda is leading us up a blind alley.
    As regards, massive savings. Yeah right!! As soon as the revenue from fossil fuels falls and also the added cost of more power stations needed the Govts will simply tax the drivers at the charging points per KwH. Businesses will also need to recoup the massive cost of the charge points and infrastructure anyway.
    Some Media like this BBC journo are unquestioningly spouting propaganda and ignoring the overwhelming negatives.
     
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    It's a weird thing to get so angry about. The technology is relatively new and no-one is saying it is perfect. All the negatives you mention will improve, and as for range I can't remember the last time I drove 250 miles without stopping at a services for half an hour anyway
     
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    My daughter is just learning to drive now. I'll be very surprised if her kids even have to bother.

    There is a finite supply of natural fuel and sooner or later we have to move to electric or stop driving. We also need alternate ways of producing that electricity.

    Lots of young people live in cities where pollution from vehicles is already out of hand and shortening peoples lives. Why would they not want electric vehicles.
     
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    So make EVs by all means but also have a choice of hybrids for people for whom EVs are not practical or viable. Governments, not just in UK , insisting on a total ban on Petrol and Diesels in the timeframe referenced is nonsense. Whilst the environmental changes are necessary, the Genie is out of the bottle when it comes to personal mobility. The concept of people living, working, marrying and having kids etc. and dying in the same area all their lives is long gone. Public transportation is insufficient, particularly in rural areas, and expensive. Where is all this electricity going to come from anyway?
     
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    Not 'angry' (alright just a little agitated) by the propaganda spewed out which is basically supporting the myth that a total ban on petrol and diesel cars is in any way possible in the timeframe set out by various govts without some incredible leap in battery technology which defies the current laws of physics as we know them. Poor journalism IMO that doesn't even attempt to challenge the arguments put forward.
     
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    Lonely old man continues to validate himself by posting irrelevant angry comments on a football forum.
     
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    Half of young people want electric cars! These are the same young people who say they can't afford a mortgage. Sense of realism is absent.
     
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    The question was "would you like to own an electric car?" I don't see how the affordability of housing is at all relevant to that question.
     
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    Even if it was, a Tesla is £66k and a small flat in London is probably 5x that.
     
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    So what is their priority? Mine was a house before I bought an expensive car.
     
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    It's a fallacy that electric cars are helping to save the planet. The majority of electricity used to re-charge their cells
    is generated from " brown" and not " green" sources. A lot of the hybrids viz: with dual fuel switching capability leads
    to increased pay load thus increasing consumption and the cost of replacement cells is absolutely prohibitive.
    Thus far, although the manufactures are pushing them for all they are worth, they are perceived to be akin to Biomass,
    a bit of a white elephant.


    * Footnote on Biomass. The CV rating (gigawatt per tonne) of biomass is lower than that of coal, oil or gas to the point
    that to match the latter, you have to burn circa 50 % more, it has to be delivered to commercial/domestic sites
    using HGV's thus creating air pollution plus the boilers used to burn it are expensive. Ash, volatiles and other emissions
    can still be present and it very difficult to keep the heat levels at an optimum level.
    Barnsley MBC initially championed its use, buying bulk product in and also using arboreal waste. The majority of Councils
    who went down a similar route have reverted to using gas, purely on the basis of cost.
     
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    They weren't asked about priorities. But don't worry, we get it - young peoples' issues are entirely their own and you would have no problems and find it a piece of cake if you were young today.
     
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    Given the relative prices they could see buying property as unobtainable. This leaves them consigned to rent until they inherit so their priorities are probably different to yours.
     
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    Most jobs in those days were on the doorstep or at least easy public/private transport reachable.
    These days most jobs are not on doorstep and even local ones are not fully supported by public transport as they used to be.
    Imo a decent job has to be supported by private transport making it more essential than luxury as it once was .
    Buying a house nowadays is ridiculous choose what pay band the average blue collar worker is on
     
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    In response to the OP, I think "propaganda piece" is off the mark.
    It is a summary of a bunch of surveys, nothing more really. I agree it is fairly meaningless in some senses.
    I run a big 2.5k diesel pickup, which I need for my job (lots of events are on farmland), I'm also in the "older" category.
    I realise however that city centre pollution needs addressing quickly.
    I think it will be not before long that most cities start bringing in congestion charges & offering better park & ride facilities.
    The rail service is obviously in dire need of proper investment too. Obviously some journey into city centres are unavoidable & businesses that need to deliver could get exemptions.

    TBH driverless cars & all sorts of stuff are going to impact on traffic, jobs, etc over the next 10 years.
    As a nation we need to get with the programme. There's far more change to come.
    Not relying on oil from the Middle East would be very good for our trade deficit too.
     
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    I have a hybrid... it’s great, but if purely electric it would be a waste of space if i wanted to do anything more than go to work and back.
     
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    Is there any need for this constant personal abuse aimed by you, at me, regardless of what topic I choose to post on. It is close season and now England is out of the WC . Many people post non-footy stuff all the time on here. I suppose they are irrelevant too in your book.

    I get it you don't like me for whatever reason in spite of us never having met but, apart from your assumptions as to my personal situation being totally wide of the mark, I fail to see the relevance of contribution to the thread and what, if any, satisfaction is to be gained from trying to wind me up.

    It would appear that it is you that is the sad individual.
     
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    Oh well, be reet
     
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    So, let me get this right. An electric car will still give off emissions because it will run on brown sauce? But that's alright because we can't afford the mortgage to buy the house that would give the charging point to plug it in? And the range doesn't matter because those of us on blood pressure tablets can't travel very far before having to make a 'pit stop'? Hmm!
     

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