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  1. What I Think

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    This morning gave me a good reminder of why I despise not just the Today Programme but political discourse in general in this country - especially when it's about economics.

    To incessant 'how much? how much?' McDonnell said that the borrowing for investment would pay for itself. Idiotic questioning purposefully designed to make a story where that isn't one. That said, he should be more savvy.

    And lo and behold, he was right. From Ann Pettifor - Its known as the multiplier. It has been understood for more than 80 years; and its impact - that public investment pays for itself - recently confirmed again by the IMF.

    Do others on here get as annoyed as I do with the atrocious, playground-esque talk around politics in this country, even by an apparently trustworthy organisation?
     
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    You've still got much of the mainstream press and the politicians pushing the £40bn "divorce bill" as a done deal - and the EU are still waiting for us to sit down and work out our share of the joint liabilities.

    You've got a government spending money like no tomorrow on vanity projects or to keep a majority, but refusing to spend a fraction of what is needed for the essential services.

    Its all going to end in tears, or with Boris swinging from a lamppost.
     
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    Its hardly playground.. It's smokescreen ... Tories are craftiest fkrs in book.. they aren't as daft as they make out
     
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    Typical UK political debate. Two opposing sides with their mouths open and their ears shut.
     
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    I think the Brexit issue has/is actually changing the binary situation you describe. For example, I'm a lifelong Labour voter but, given my utter despair over Brexit, I feel somewhat disenfranchised given Labour's stance. The Lib Dems most accurately reflect my views regarding this, but our electoral system dictates that they are not a realistic voting option. On domestic issues such as the NHS, Labour would always get my vote, but Brexit is by far the biggest, and disastrous, undertaking in my lifetime, and completely overshadows everything else. It won't do much for those of you living in ROI either!
     
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    No arguments there.
     
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    I thought the country couldn’t get worse than it was under Thatcher. But we have managed it. At least then normal people in jobs didn’t have to rely on food banks.
     
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    Labour standing against brexit would be suicide. It is happening.
     
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    I understand why individuals such as Dan Jarvis had to toe the line to some extent given the Brexit majority in Barnsley. The thing is, Brexit is a suicidal act in itself, the stupidity of which will become increasingly apparent as the Government staggers from one self-inflicted crisis to the next. And we will all suffer as a consequence. I suspect that Labour will modify its stance going forward as it realises that there is political capital to be gained from reflecting the views of younger people who, if they had voted in the same numbers in the referendum as they did in the General Election, would have reversed the referendum result by a significant margin (based upon opinion polls since).
     
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    From the opinion poll demographics shortly after the referendum, roughly 800,000 Leave voting pensioners have now died and roughly 800,000 additional Remain voting new voting have joined the voting register. If everyone else voted the same way now, the result would be near enough a tie and heading further towards a Remain vote every month,
     
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    To all the leave votes...well done you have created this mess.
     
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    That’s one hell of a cull, as in 2016 there were 525,000 deaths in England & Wales and 56,000 deaths in Scotland.

    Where can I find this poll ?

    Which reminds me, Diane Abbots on Question Time tonight ;)

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths

    https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/stati...-vital-events-preliminary-annual-figures/2016
     
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    I was a lifelong Labour Voter but Tony Blair sorted that out for me. I then tried a tactical vote for the LibDems to try to get a Tory out and look what they did in the coalition (particularly the botched referendum on voting reform). In despair I decided to go with the most important issue facing not just the UK or Europe but the whole world; climate change and the wasting of our finite natural resources. I too feel strongly about Europe but for me it's a secondary issue in comparison. Hence I am now one in a million, the million who voted Green that is.
     
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    There's far worse options than voting Green and if we had Proportional Representation they might have as much of a say in the balance of power as those fecking Irish idiots propping up Theresa May.
     
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    Northern ireland as well :)

    So roughly 250-300,000 in the second half of last year and approaching 600,000 by the end of this year. So maybe 900,000 deaths since June 2016. Most deaths are elderly, most elderly were leave voters. Not sure where i got the 800,000 from when i worked it out the other month - I might have extrapolated for a date in the near future but it would certainly be before March 2019
     
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    NI 15,500 deaths in 2016.

    https://www.nisra.gov.uk/sites/nisra.gov.uk/files/publications/MonthlyDeaths_8.xls

    There was a claim by Steve Lawrence in December 2016 that 120,000 leave voters had died since June 2016. But that was theory, not fact.

    http://m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry...e-died-since-june_uk_584ace23e4b0b7ff851cf71b

    Can you link in this poll taken ‘shortly after the referendum’
     
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    Quite
     

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