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  1. Don

    Donny-Red Well-Known Member

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    It’s more nuanced - there’s no proof that the Israelis trained them to use the particular technique used to kill George Floyd.

    it’s a sh 1t-show though to be unable to mention Israel whilst wearing a Labour rosette for fear of how that ‘looks’ to the right wing press. In fact you can see why lefties soon look anti-Semitic, mention that there’s clearly a concerted effort to make that happen. It’s easy to be spreading anti Semitic conspiracy theories.
     
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    I don't understand why it is deemed anti-semitic to criticise Israel. Granted Israel is a country populated mostly by people of the Jewish faith, but it's a country not a people and being against the questionable politics and methods of that country is not being anti-semitic.

    Corbyn could have (and should have) dealt with the anti-semitism debacle with one word; "sorry". If he had then maybe the Tories wouldn't now have such a massive majority. Also during the referendum campaign a better Labour leader (possibly Starmer) might actually have campaigned with some enthusiasm and the country wouldn't now be facing the cliff edge of a no-deal Brexit. Corbyn has a lot to answer for.
     
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    Out of interest where has this Starmer is a Blairite come from?
     
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    “The tactics used by the police in America, kneeling on George Floyd’s neck, that was learnt from seminars with Israeli secret services.”

    The issue here is that it might be true that some American law enforcement have had training from Israelis - but unless there's specific evidence that
    A) That training was given to the officers that killed George Floyd
    B) That training involved teaching the specific restraint technique mentioned (kneeling on neck)

    Then the statement can't be confirmed to be factual. And if it even needs a small evidential leap to make it true it's a conspiracy theory. I've personally not seen that evidence yet.

    If you want to criticise Israel it's perfectly possible to do by citing the many, many documented human rights abuses and substantial breaking of international law - but there's no need to stoke controversy by trying to link the state to every bad thing in the world - especially if your evidence behind that is not 100 percent rock solid. I get why this happens but it just serves to undermine any legitimate point you might want to make.

    Starmer had absolutely no choice on this. Maxine Peake has retracted her original comment which suspect means she acknowledges the above - and therefore to not take action would just mean days of debate on this which would distract from the key job of holding the government to account. Hopefully Labour can instill some better discipline and stop falling into these bear traps.
     
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    There is no overt anti semitism in the Labour party. There's criticism of Israel.
    If Israel is so precious to you and you were so keen to portray Corbyn as a pro IRA/Palestinian terrorist sympathiser just ask yourself how the state of Israel came into being.
     
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    Telling the truth?
     
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    I’ll start off by saying I’m not related to Asa.

    It’s not exactly a balanced article. Asa Winstanley is a massive Corbynista and also friend of Palestine and often writes in the Palestinian press. I do tend to agree with a lot of what he says but this is not a very balanced view on the RLB story, it’s coming from someone with a huge detest for everything Israeli and from someone who has particularly strong left wing views, who will see everything that the Labour Party do now as wrong, because it’s not Jeremy Corbyn.

    For what it’s worth I would have loved a more socialist and progressive government, but if Starmer wins I will see that as significant progress from any Tory government. Starmer is still a 10 miles left of this pile of cack we are dealing with now.
     
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    I like quite a few posts on here when the majority of the post is on a par with my way of thinking, yet not all points contained within I agree with.
     
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    Just look at who is backing him , he’s done a Kinnock to get elected
     
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    The official definition of antisemitism as recognised internationally suggests antisemitism includes:

    Applying double standards by requiring of Israel a behaviour not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.
     
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    My opinions on Corbyn are well documented on here and I still believe what I believe about him. However, I’m prepared to accept that inviting convicted IRA members to tea at Westminster two weeks after they killed 5 innocent people and injured another 30 or so in Brighton, many of whom were still lying in their hospital beds whilst they took tea, and also describing terrorists HAMAS as friends isn’t enough to convince people of where his sympathies lie. Anyway, he’s history now. I do wonder though, how much outcry there’d be if Farage were to invite Tommy Robinson and representatives of the Klu Klux Clan to Westminster for tea on the basis that he wanted to open dialogue.
     
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    a simple fact check might be useful for you. I won’t go on though, there’s no point anymore.
     
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    I get your opinions and you're entitled to them. I'm not particularly having a go at you but the calling out of Corbyn for being a terrorist sympathiser while conveniently finding a love of Israel to be able to make accusations of racism is bunk. If you view Hamas as a terrorist organisation then you have to view the founders of Israel as the same.
     
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    Wonder who Ted Heath took tea with on the morning of 31st January 1972.
     
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    Did it involve brown love?
     
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    There really isnt, I’ve checked the facts and formed an opposite view to yours, it happens. One of us may even be right nip :)
     
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    Hi Donny Red,hope you're well. I don't think it's the Labour party running scared of criticising Israel, there was a agreed Parliamentary protocol about reacting to others posts. Also, it's this kind of pseudo conspiracy idea some on the left have about Israel,which then gets translated into " all Jews". It's been going on over a 100 years, so it's not going to stop overnight.
    I think she was naive and silly to react to the article,which in itself had a strange narrative, which Maxine Peake has recanted. It maybe that RLB, acted deliberately to provoke a argument and division. This is being seriously investigated within the Labour party, this is typical of the Left. The government has been shown to be inept,corrupt, there is a crisis at home and abroad, people are talking positively about change for people who are Black and Brown. What do they do? Create a argument about nothing and claim to be excluded and purged. They are arguing now about syntax and semantics, trying to say she and Maxine Peake were talking about International Policing (they weren't).
    As a former Psychiatric nurse, I too was trained in this method of control and restraint. It is and was a common way of disarming a person and calming a situation with the help of others,it would be used very rarely and would be over quickly.
    The Left have been in control of the Labour party for 10 years and lost 3 elections and the trust of their core vote. Their time is over.
     
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    I’m not defending Israel, I’m criticizing Corbyn’s handling of antisemitism in the Labour Party and his alleged sympathies. To the best of my knowledge the EU and the USA have HAMAS classified as a terrorist organisation. But Corbyn describes them as friends. If that doesn't tell the Jews of this country where he (and they) stand I don’t know what would.
     
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    Brown yes love no.
     
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