Politics - which is worse a lying or just thick politician?

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  1. man

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    Diane Abbott isn't thick. She obtained a place at Cambridge in the 70s as a working class black woman. She studied History which I would say provides a useful skill set for being a politician and will have been put through the wringer on interview so is definitely capable of thinking on her feet and responding to argument.

    But she fudged some numbers once so she's thick. Michael Gove once stood up and said that his aim was for ALL schools to achieve an above average standard. When questioned he didn't see the obvious problem. He's not labelled as thick though, why is that? It's forgiven as a momentary lapse for a well spoken white man, but for an overweight black woman with a crap haircut it's taken as proof she doesn't belong.
     
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    I've never accepted that just because someone goes to University, gets a degree, generally in a subject that doesn't really apply to the career they then go on to do, that it makes them more likely to be more competent in their future working life. I know many organisations are shifting from the best Universities to recruit graduates who exceeded the learning curve in difficult environments, to find hungrier more committed people to change the status quo.

    I'd suspect the vast majority of politicians are educated to degree level. It doesn't mean they understand an economy, the current climate of the country, or the risks to the nation and its people. Let alone how to act effectively to take advantage of opportunity an mitigate risk. MPS are getting younger and younger and are being pitched in as a possible cabinet member, PM in the waiting and very young ages. Many have little experience aside from political bubbles.

    Last night on bbcqt you had Diane Abbott and Kwasi Kwarteng (described as a potential future PM). Both speaking in soundbites and blasé soliloquys where they typically forget what the question actually was and certainly offered little solution. Neither made many coherent points and generally little applause.

    Neither are thick. But neither are likely to make any positive contribution or positive change to this country.
     
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    Dan Jarvis 63.9% of the vote
    Diane Abbott 75.1% of the vote
     
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    They're all inherently liars - show me one who ever gives a straight answer to a question - and a frighteningly large number are thick.

    Easier to count the other way and list politicians who are neither liars nor thick. You won't need many fingers.
     
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    Abbott's majority was bigger than the combined majorities for Theresa May and Boris Johnson (and not far off May + Rees-Mogg combined). Whatever her skills or abilities at a national level, she is very popular in her constituency.
     
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    Quite a few in the Lords though - Lord Winston is probably in the top 0.01% in the country, and he isn't the only one.
     
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    There are some huge majorities in some of the central London Boroughs. Large pro remain areas with large amounts of migration from multiple generations that have had significant change and gentrification in the last 5-15 years. There seemed to a hardening of support for Labour from the highest remain areas, though that's not crystallised to policy of opposition sadly.
     
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    Dont forget this classic as well:-

    https://www.thejournal.ie/karen-bradley-northern-ireland-4223738-Sep2018/

    N.Ireland Sec didn't know about Sectarian nature of voting there!!!
     
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    I think Hunt is one of the few that isn't actually thick - the Bell coming off is hardly up there with the sudden realisation that Dover calais is actually a little bit important.
    He is however a career politician who puts his career first and doesnt give a sh1t about the views of those he is supposed to represent and I dont like him. He is my MP and I wouldn't want him as PM - though he would be less bad than the likes of Boris, Rees Mogg Davis or Raab, In the way that its less bad to lose a foot than a whole leg.
     
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    With many of the leading lights to replace May, its the same as an animal scat eating contest. Every single one will leave a bad taste in the mouth and smell like ****.
     
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    I don’t remember anyone saying Gove isn’t thick? On my opinion, he’s worse than abbot. It’s not about sex or race, just the fact that they don’t understand their own job.
     
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    Scat is a corking word which means (?):

    -Excrement, especially of an animal; dung.

    Never heard that one before - thank you.

    (sheltered life led, me tha nos)
     
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    Horses for courses init? My daughter has a first in Law and can tie in knots any number of her school chums who [email protected] about in school and work in a warehouse or whatever. I’m sure they can pick the fk out of your Amazon Prime order vs her but not sure they can put together a closing argument in crown court.
    Also, just to add she has held down numerous service jobs cooking and serving in pubs and bars. I understand the principle but it’s down to upbringing not intelligence, we never told our kids they get something for nothing and always told them to get on in life you better work hard. I went to Uni but worked in numerous factories and just got on with it. For every thick bricky or graduate who can’t boil an egg there’s a world of messy people out there who don’t fit into this really tired stereotype.
     
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    North Yorks Red Well-Known Member

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    Exactly, each to their own, I wasn’t so much genarising as pointing out that academic qualifications don’t necessarily transfer to real life .
    My lad worked hard at uni graduated and is doing well, but he’s also sensible, and a grafter just doesn’t always follow.
     
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    you surely mean "any politician"?, not one of them has any use or value
     
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    Simple and simplistic. Us v Them. Come and live in a country like Thailand where I am on holiday just now. They don't have a parliamentary democracy - the King is revered (even worshipped) - though many Thais have private doubts about the man on the throne right now. The military and police more or less rule the country. Try going on social media and insulting any of those three and see where it lands you - in jail for a very long time. Try to get anything done here and expect to have to pay a bribe. I may be putting on rose tinted spectacles but I would like to think that some people who enter politics do so out of the desire to help society and to make the country a better place. They won't get rich on an MPs salary. Meanwhile our parliamentary democracy allows people to sit on their backsides and insult and criticize as much as they like. Ok it's a democratic right - but let's not take it for granted. I would like to ask that, instead of carping and cavilling, what exactly these armchair critics have done to contribute to a better society.
     

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