Prorogue and Parliment

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  1. Ski

    Skinner Active Member

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    After Boris's obvious attempt to stop the debate on Brexit and use the time to plough money into popular areas like Policing and the Nurses in order to buy votes when the election comes a thought occured...
    With the united front against him in Parliment why has nobody moved a motion to take proroguing out of the parlimentary laws forever....surely after this fiasco its obvious this outdated rule needs removing for good and the MP's affected by it form the majority to vote it out......over to someone with more Parlimentary knowledge than me..
     
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    A simple bill (or amendment to any other legislation going through) to require that any prorogation must be agreed by a majority in Parliament would suffice. Then no prorogation could offend either side. A government that didn't like any decision to prorogue or not could simply offer it's resignation.
     
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    It’s never been a problem before, nobody thought it would ever be used in this way. Unprecedented.
     
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    The big problem is that May, and now Johnson (and Cummings) behind him are prepared to bend, distort and twist the precedents to get what they want. And their supporters are oblivious to the fact that those same precedents can be used against them in future - and will shout loudest when it is used for something they don't want.
     
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    I don't know what they're all moaning about. Getting five weeks off with full pay. I'd snatch Boris's hand off. I forgot though they can't claim expenses whilst they're at home mowing the lawn.
     
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    It has, John Major did it to stop a debate on cash for questions in the nineties as top politicians from both sides were facing a grilling for taking bribes for asking questions in parliment.
     
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    They're all it though. Labour being backed by trade unions is just the same.
     
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    The domestic abuse and divorce bills were cut off by the proroguing - both will need to be resubmitted from scratch - and 2 people die per week from domestic abuse in the UK.

    Parliament could be prorogued and returned in under a fortnight, but it has been extended to prevent scrutiny of the governments position - and the Scottish court found that the PM was lying for the reason.

    Oh yeah, most MPs would be working in their constituency during this time, so meeting residents, local business, etc.
     
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    I apologise for my low opinion of politicians. I take personal responsibility for domestic abuse that is taking place throughout the land.
     
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    I don’t remember that one but it sounds similar except that cash for questions wasn’t exactly going to cause the sort of damage to ordinary people’s lives that we face at the moment. Despicable nevertheless .
     
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    It’s quite simply not the same.

    The Labour Party is supposed to be a party of the working class born from the trade union movement.

    It’s designed to protect workers, hence why it is called Labour. It was also designed to be left wing so it protects people, vulnerable in particular from corporate greed.

    The unions will obviously back labour as their MO is aligned to giving workers rights and safe and good conditions for workers.

    Tories for instance are backed by corporations and big business who’s policies and key drivers are fundamentally different and would in the main go against the working classes and workers, irrespective of how much damage they cause for the masses.

    It’s care and society vs greed.
     
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    Charles1st & Cromwell both tried to shut down Parliament & look what happened.
    What if we had another July 7th or Grenfell, with MPs scattered in their constituencies?
    The man is a selfish bigot & a dreadful politician..
    He should do the honourable thing & join the after dinner talk circuit. There he would have comedy value at least..
     
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    Might as well just abolish government in general if the whole of parliament continue this practice of controlling the agenda in the commons..
    Pretty much the way Bercow has done things unprecedented and now showing clear bias.

    It really is quite simple, don't like what the government are doing. Vote of no confidence or have belief in your own policies that at the next general election the public supports their policies and not the governments. It was the PM's right to prorogue parliament, high court agreed, scottish court didn't, NI court agreed and I expect the supreme court to agree as well..

    3 years they have had in parliament and are complaining what when taking into consideration the conference periods they lose about 4 days.

    Before the prorogation, how many of these throwing their toys out of the pram suggested delaying party conferences until after 31st October to allow an extra month of debating the issue?? Answer to that is none. It is nothing more than a coup against the government.
     
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    The point is MDG, this government doesn't really have a majority at all. It shouldn't be in government. In that situation, the space for the Speaker and for Parliament to be creative arises. And it can't be cribbed because the government is not really in power. The opposition parties are right not to dance to Johnson's tune regarding the timing of an election because the risk of him sneaking through a disastrous no deal brexit is there for all to see. Let's not forget that with a true majority government, the chances of Parliament legislating against the government disappears.
     
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    There were moves to sit through the conference season, hence why Johnson prorogued. The other issue is that the Lords and select committees can't sit to debate and progress matters.

    Its absolutely right to stop no deal being bullied through, even if that means denying a GE to someone goading for one (who allegedly didn't want one). He's said do or die by 31st October. So he can take his medicine.... before its delayed at Calais.
     
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    He said he'd rather die in a ditch, didn't he? Can the record show that I'm waiting here with my shovel! :)
     
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    Parliament would be recalled, like it has been in history for a national emergency.

    July 2005 London terror attacks, think parliament were not sitting then either according to gov.uk site they didn't return until 21 July.
     
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    Is that the same Calais who have said no delays? There was not one single call by Jezza or Swinson to postpone the conferences. Shows they are only playing party politics with this..
     
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    Party politicians in playing party politics shocker!!!:)
     

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