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  1. Sca

    Scarthy Well-Known Member

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    This trial for Ben Stokes doesn’t look good for him. One of the other lads already acquitted and Stokes being portrayed very negatively by all the people that have so far been on the stand. If that’s a fair representation then it seems he is a nasty piece of work.....
     
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    Will be interesting to see what the jury/judge has to say. Generally when you're in fear of your life, feel outnumbered and pleading self defence.... you don't go at people and knock them spark out. But we shall see. Not sure what sentence he'll face if guilty. Probably suspended sentence, some community time and/or a fine of some sort.
     
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    It may well turn out to be true, but isn't t the job of the prosecution to portray the defendant as negatively as they possibly can ?
     
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    Watcher_Of_The_Skies Well-Known Member

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    I suspect a big part will be the testimony of the gay couple he said he was defending.
     
  5. Sca

    Scarthy Well-Known Member

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    Of course yes, but I hadn’t expected to hear so much negative and the fact that the judge acquitted one of the other fellas ain’t good
     
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    I would imagine that he wouldn't still be claiming he was defending the two gay lads if they weren't onside. Surely they will be called to give evidence.
     
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    I think suspended 12 months - and yes I’m saying guilty before the wig has had chance to fart
     
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    A young guy goes out gets too much to drink and ends up in a scuffle.
    Wow - top news.
    Total witch hunt.
    Fine him £1000 and give him 2 years suspended.
    End of FFS !!!
     
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    I'm sure I've read somewhere that neither will be going into the witness box.

    Which seemed a bit strange to me at the time.

    Apologies if wrong.
     
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    If it's the same incident I saw pictures of the bloke he punched didn't look aggressive at all, it looked as though Stokes punched him because he wanted to rather than self defence.
     
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    He's charged with affray, which is:

    "an instance of group fighting in a public place that disturbs the peace".

    From the footage I've seen, there's little of a group fight.

    It's more like Stokesy randomly attempting GBH.
     
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    We’ve all done it.
     
  13. Sca

    Scarthy Well-Known Member

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    Whatever the outcome Nudge, I don’t think he should ever play for England again. Disgraceful
     
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    No we havent
     
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    Attempt GBH? Break the eye socket of someone backing away from you in submission?

    Knocking unconscious another who has made it clear that they want no further trouble?

    No we haven't.
     
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    Ridiculous. Guilty or not he’s entitled to earn a living. There’s plenty of people in sport that have punched somebody.

    And the point made above about the definition of affray is pertinent: looking at that particular video it doesn’t look like anyone else is an aggressor - but the crown have charged all of them with affray and nobody with an assault. Which means the police or cps did not see anyone as a clear aggressor and/or no prospect of a conviction for an assault (including assault resulting in abh or gbh). They’ve charged them all with fighting but none with anything else.

    If they’ve instructed the jury to acquit one of the defendants of ‘a group fight’ as affray is roughly defined in law, then that doesn’t necessarily mean the others, including stokes, are more likely to be guilty of it. If anything if one of the group isn’t guilty then maybe none of them are. We will see.

    One thing for sure is none of us has seen or heard all the evidence, so making any kind of judgement as to his motivation, his guilt or questioning his right to continue to play for the national team isn’t fair.
     
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    Find it quite amusing that people on here are calling for him to be banned etc. but at the same time clamouring for an ex player, a club legend, who did arguably worse than that to come back. I don't see the logic?

    People make mistakes.
     
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    Earn a living yes, represent his country no. You lose the right to those privileges when you behave like that, in my view
     
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    Stokes isn’t charged with gbh, abh or even just common assault though is he? Suggesting he’s attempted gbh is wrong - if a newspaper did it he’d sue them for libel. And win.

    He’s charged with affray, basically fighting in public.

    If the police in Bristol and the cps thought he was potentially guilty of anything more - based on all the evidence, not just the bits you’ve jumped to that conclusion with - he’d have been charged with it.

    Given the serious level of the injury suffered, and there being no charge for anything other than affray, the authorities have decided that there is no chance of conviction for anything that suggests Stokes was overly and improportionately aggressive in hitting him after the bottle incident.

    Looking at the video in isolation it very much looks like an assault, the guy seemed to be backing away. He also got a nasty injury as a result. Stokes looks a violent thug in that video snippet. I agree to that.

    The fact that only an affray charge is being heard means though that quite clearly there is much much more to it.

    We’ve heard mainly the negatives up to today on the grounds that it was the prosecution, the defence might well paint it much differently.

    He’ll have a good legal team advising him so he won’t have pleaded not guilty if he had no prospect of acquittal.
     
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    Nope?
     
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