This latest police shooting

All boils down to trust, communication and community engagement. How many times have we seen young black children (under 18) running away unarmed and they then get shot in the back. All of the crimes at that time remember are unproven, but the cop becomes judge, jury and executioner. Probably for a nothing offence, stealing food or having tiny bit of weed.

 

Some nice victim blaming in this thread.

If you're a black man or woman in America and you're dealing with multiple police officers, I'd wager that all logical thinking goes out of the window because of the chance that your next breath might be your last.

 

Having done the job I can tell you i never turned up wanting to be Dirty Harry.
British police are harmed how many people did we kill in last year? How kids stealing a Mars bar were executed cos they ran away from police?
We have a knife crime issue in parts of this country, how many carrying knives have been killed?

 

Stop the culture of ignoring the police instructions, don't put yourself in the situation where the cop use his firearm.

 

So having done the job you claim the british police are armed? Only a handful of specialists but not your everyday copper. Every copper over in the US is armed and look at the population difference..

I've not seen any videos of little kids being shot in any country for stealing a chocolate bar.

We are heading down a dark corridor when we start to put criminals before the police.

Knife crime is on the rise in this country and once we make the police scared to challenge individuals based on skin colour for instance, that is the end of law and order in this country.

 

It doesn't even need "decades of behaviour". Three words--- Cortonwood & Metropolitan Police.

There are many ex miners who are still bitter about what the Met force did during the miners strike and still regard the police in general as the enemy. And from what an ex copper from Sheffield once told me, (and he was a really decent regular guy as are many police I have spoken to at odd times- just trying to do a job often in difficult circumstances) many of South Yorkshire's finest feel the same.
He said they had to bear the brunt of the vitriol long after the Met went back to 'from whence they came'. I know SYP are not exactly squeaky clean but much of that 'iffy' reputation comes from the higher commanders, policy, but the 'front liners', by and large are pretty easy to get along with -well least that has been my experience. Give them some respect and you get the same back.
It is the same here. Years ago, before we actually moved here, I stopped to ask some Carabinieri at a road 'stop' for directions. A couple of Italians were incredulous that anyone would do that but they were really helpful and actually a good laugh was had due to the then language barrier. They waved us on our merry way. Inspite of being armed (and the fact that they are nowhere near as well trained as,for example, UK police) very few shooting occur (and that with the drug cartels and Mafia existing here.)

 

I've lived here 25 years, the last 15 in the inner city. Don't believe everything you read or see on TV.

 

The difference is that's after trying to have a debate with you about something which still doesn't make it right granted and I apologise for being sarcastic (or flippant) with you. With Donny red he won't even entertain or acknowledge another point of view or a fact he doesn't like and won't answer any questions put to him.

 

Can the same bit be said that if you're a police officer and someone is disobeying all legal orders from you and instead reaches I to a car then all logical thinking goes out of the window because you think it might be YOUR last breath?

 

I just find it really scary the idea that you can just go out and buy a gun. Like anywhere in the world there will be positives and negatives. My Dad lived there as a young man and he hated the fact you couldn't just go for a walk in the way you can over here!!

 

That becomes very victim blaming though surely?

 

No, because you should have been trained to deal with these sort of situations without causing loss of life.

 

How many times have we seen that is a valid question

Since the database began in 2015 there has been one under 18 black child shot in the back whilst running though it wasn't a nothing offence, the shot 17 year old had just commited a drive by shooting and was running from a car that had guns he had just used in it and he had an empty magazine in his pocket and gun residue on his hands

 

What is the training for when someone who is refusing to follow your orders reaches for something hidden? I honestly can't think what other option there is at that point other than duck and hope for the best. Once someone reaches for something in a hidden place no training is stopping you from crapping yourself

 

There were multiple officers who had ample time to subdue the accused.

They absolutely did not need to shoot him in the back from close range.

It reminds me of a Simpson's episode.

"Things could have turned really nasty....But luckily I shot him in the spine"

 

Yes I agree that before it got to the point of him reaching into the car yes there were opportunities. God knows why they weren't taken (though I do wonder whether the fear of being accused of being over aggressive ironically led to them doing nothing and then actually killing him) but what I meant was that once he reaches into the car it's perfectly understandable why he would be shot due to the same reason you said he would be irrational. Fear.

What they somehow need to do is stop the vicious cycle of fear in the first place. Fear on both sides. The only way to do that is get guns off the streets like civilised countries have.

 

It surely doesn't allow for 7 shots fired.

Agree with that last bit though.

 

I just cant get the mentality over guns that some Anericans have. After Dunblane we tightened our gun laws, The number of kids that shoot each other in "play" is beyond frightening.

 

As an average person I don't understand why they fire so many times but it isn't unusual. In most shootings by police, both the justified and unjustified ones, they seem to fire quite a lot of times so I can only assume that that is part of the training

 

George Floyd was under restraint.
He was still murdered.