Unbeaten in 8 years of qualifying matches, won the group with a game to spare

Discussion in 'Bulletin Board' started by OnGoingCloud1887, Oct 6, 2017.

  1. Wat

    WatfordRed Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 2, 2013
    Messages:
    1,084
    Likes Received:
    835
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Style:
    Barnsley
    That's what the vast majority of fans have been doing. We might be unbeaten in the last 8 years but that amounts to maybe 20 games against teams not ranked in the top 50 in the world - yet we've drawn probably 25% of them (without looking).

    We play awful awful defensive football. Taking Sterling off for Keane in the 85th minute when there are two strikers on the bench really sums up the managerial mindset.

    If you want to support England through thick and thin - by all means do so, but there's no reason to try and force your affinity with the team on other people. If people have fallen out of love with national set up then that's their prerogative. All I saw was a bunch of overpaid premadonas being instructed to do things by bang average coaches.
     
  2. OnGoingCloud1887

    OnGoingCloud1887 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2015
    Messages:
    1,933
    Likes Received:
    278
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Location:
    Barnsley
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Thought you supported Northern Ireland?

    It's the treatment of the national side that is a complete embarrassment.
     
  3. OnGoingCloud1887

    OnGoingCloud1887 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2015
    Messages:
    1,933
    Likes Received:
    278
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Location:
    Barnsley
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
     
  4. Wat

    WatfordRed Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 2, 2013
    Messages:
    1,084
    Likes Received:
    835
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Style:
    Barnsley
    weve completely luck boxed our groups in comparison to the rest. Put us in any other of the groups and I doubt we qualify.

    The teams we've faced in the last 8 years are:

    Lithuania
    Estonia
    Switzerland
    San Marino
    Slovenia
    Malta
    Scotland
    Slovakia
    Poland
    Ukraine
    Montenegro
    Wales
    Bulgaria

    None of them are really a top 10 side in the world (regardless of what FIFA rankings claim)

    Now look at recent England results in major competitions:

    France - Drew
    Sweden - Won
    Italy - Lost
    Wales - Won
    Russia - Drew
    Ukraine - Won
    Slovakia - Drew
    Iceland - Lost
    Uruguay - Lost
    Costa Rica - Drew
    Italy - Lost

    Your '8 years unbeaten' record is merely papering over the fact that we've had easy groups against easy opposition. I'm sure Scotland could have a 50 year unbeaten record if they played San Marino 3 times a year.
     
  5. OnGoingCloud1887

    OnGoingCloud1887 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2015
    Messages:
    1,933
    Likes Received:
    278
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Location:
    Barnsley
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Look at who Spain have played. Look who the Germans have played. Neither have better records in qualifying.

    5 of the teams listed their are tournament regulars: Ukraine, Slovakia, Slovenia, Switzerland & Poland.

    Only some of the games are against minnows.
     
  6. Wat

    WatfordRed Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 2, 2013
    Messages:
    1,084
    Likes Received:
    835
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Style:
    Barnsley
    Spain's European championship qualifying record in the last 10 years is played 20 - won 19, lost 1

    Spain's World Cup championship qualifying record in the last 8 years is played 18 won 15, drawn 3.

    They have had qualifying groups with France and Italy. Please explain what we've done better than that?
     
  7. OnGoingCloud1887

    OnGoingCloud1887 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2015
    Messages:
    1,933
    Likes Received:
    278
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Location:
    Barnsley
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    We haven't lost and for that we should be proud.
     
  8. Sta

    Stahlrost Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2006
    Messages:
    21,105
    Likes Received:
    13,025
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    None
    Location:
    Dodworth
    Home Page:
    Style:
    Barnsley Dark
    I'm a total disgrace then. Not watched an England game in years, I stopped because I was bored senseless, and because of the way football finances work at the highest level. I know you won't agree with me and I'll probably get some abuse, but the sad fact is there's loads like me. Sooner or later someone at the highest level will have to question why?
     
    BFC Dave and Redstar like this.
  9. Wat

    WatfordRed Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 2, 2013
    Messages:
    1,084
    Likes Received:
    835
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Style:
    Barnsley
    Explain how our record is better?

    Germany also haven't lost a World Cup qualifier in 10 years, winning them all apart from a 4-4 draw with Sweden. Please explain how our record is better?

    Edit: Actually 3 draws in the 10 years - still a lot better record than ours
     
  10. man

    mansfield_red Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2011
    Messages:
    9,312
    Likes Received:
    14,998
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    The table flatters us. We've scored a lot of poxy injury time goals.
     
  11. OnGoingCloud1887

    OnGoingCloud1887 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2015
    Messages:
    1,933
    Likes Received:
    278
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Location:
    Barnsley
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    The commentator last night said our qualifying record is better than anyone in Europe with 8 years unbeaten. Not gonna argue with that. Fantastic achievement.
     
  12. OnGoingCloud1887

    OnGoingCloud1887 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2015
    Messages:
    1,933
    Likes Received:
    278
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Location:
    Barnsley
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    yeah I forgot that football matches were 85 mintues and that only 30 yard screamers count
     
  13. OnGoingCloud1887

    OnGoingCloud1887 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2015
    Messages:
    1,933
    Likes Received:
    278
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Location:
    Barnsley
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
     
  14. Wat

    WatfordRed Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 2, 2013
    Messages:
    1,084
    Likes Received:
    835
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Style:
    Barnsley
    Well soccerway suggests otherwise.

    How fantastic have we done in actual tournaments other than the qualifying for them? Bang average achievement and the minimum we should be expecting..
     
  15. OnGoingCloud1887

    OnGoingCloud1887 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2015
    Messages:
    1,933
    Likes Received:
    278
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Location:
    Barnsley
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    An achievement that has not been matched by at least 43 of the 45 European countries.
     
  16. Wat

    WatfordRed Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 2, 2013
    Messages:
    1,084
    Likes Received:
    835
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Style:
    Barnsley
    Remind me what we win for it?
     
  17. Sta

    Stahlrost Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2006
    Messages:
    21,105
    Likes Received:
    13,025
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    None
    Location:
    Dodworth
    Home Page:
    Style:
    Barnsley Dark
    You can say it if you want, I've heard worse.

    We obviously don't have the same views on this, but surely you have to question why so many of us are saying the same thing? Boring, sterile football against greatly inferior teams whom we struggle to break down. Then when we reach a major tournament we invariably just embarrass ourselves. My wife comes from Germany and I've lots of friends over there - have you any idea about the stick I get about the England team? It's embarrassing, in their eyes we're a complete laughing stock. And sadly, I can't defend our team, because it's true.
     
  18. OnGoingCloud1887

    OnGoingCloud1887 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2015
    Messages:
    1,933
    Likes Received:
    278
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Location:
    Barnsley
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Gareth Southgate & Roy Hodgson are not good managers and we have underachieved at major tournaments in recent years but that is no valid reason to desert the team. Football fans should never desert their team of birth.
     
  19. Micky Finn

    Micky Finn Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 2, 2005
    Messages:
    15,238
    Likes Received:
    11,668
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Light bender
    Location:
    It depends who's asking...
    Style:
    Barnsley (full width)
    Definite WUM.
     
    barnsley66 likes this.
  20. Wat

    WatfordRed Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 2, 2013
    Messages:
    1,084
    Likes Received:
    835
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Style:
    Barnsley
    Neither is Gareth Southgate
     

Share This Page